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Undersea Cable Cutting: Prelude to War?
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Yeah Europe is mess thanks to 'multiculturalism'
. Holland, Belgum, Germany, France are all having extensive problems with racial tensions. Riots, assassinations, no go areas, intimidation........ Yet today I see on the front of [-]Time[/-] Liberal propaganda pamphlet 'Europe Muslim succes story'. 
. They really are deluded. Note also nothing on our great liberal utopia's spiral into the dark ages. Neatly swept under the carpet. Muslims in America are better integrated in society than in Europe. Of course they'd never admit it
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re tectonic plates, its a good theory, but it would produce waves and other geological signs - and there are none. (Folks wondered about this one as well)
in addition, there are more cables that have been cut..
Here's an excerpt from a longer article at http://www.rense.com/general80/cable.htm
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Connecting The Many Undersea Cut Cable Dots - 9 Or More?
The last week has seen a spate of unexplained, cut, undersea communications cables that has severely disrupted communications in many countries in the Middle East, North Africa and South Asia. As I shall show, the total numbers of cut cables remain in question, but likely number as many as eight, and maybe nine or more.
The trouble began on 30 January 2008 with CNN reports that two cables were cut off the Egyptian Mediterranean coast, initially severely disrupting Internet and telephone traffic from Egypt to India and many points in between. According to CNN the two cut cables "account for as much as three-quarters of the international communications between Europe and the Middle East." CNN reported that the two cut cables off the Egyptian coast were "FLAG Telecom's FLAG Europe-Asia cable and SeaMeWe-4, a cable owned by a consortium of more than a dozen telecommunications companies".(10) Other reports placed one of the cut cables, SeaMeWe-4, off the coast of France, near Marseille.(9)(12) However, many news organizations reported two cables cut off the Egyptian coast, including the SeaMeWe-4 cable connecting Europe with the Middle East. The possibilities are thus three, based on the reporting in the news media: 1) the SeaMeWe-4 cable was cut off the coast of France, and mistakenly reported as being cut off the coast of Egypt, because it runs from France to Egypt; 2) the SeaMeWe-4 cable was cut off the Egyptian coast and mistakenly reported as being cut off the coast of France, because it runs from France to Egypt; or 3) the SeaMeWe-4 cable was cut both off the Egyptian and the French coasts, nearly simultaneously, leading to confusion in the reporting. I am not sure what to think, because most reports, such as this one from the International Herald Tribune, refer to two cut cables off the Egyptian coast, one of the two being the SeaMeWe4 cable,(11) while other reports also refer to a cut cable off the coast of France.(9)(12) It thus appears that the same cable may have suffered two cuts, both off the French and the Egyptian coasts. So there were likely actually three undersea cables cut in the Mediterranean on 30 January 2008.
In the case of the cables cut off the Egyptian coast, the news media initially advanced the explanation that the cables had been cut by ships' anchors.(10)(13) But on 3 February the Egyptian Ministry of Communications and Information Technology said that a review of video footage of the coastal waters where the two cables passed revealed that the area had been devoid of ship traffic for the 12 hours preceding and the 12 hours following the time of the cable cuts.(5)(11) So the cable cuts cannot have been caused by ship anchors, in view of the fact that there were no ships there.
The cable cutting was just getting started. Two days later an undersea cable was reported cut in the Persian Gulf, 55 kilometers off of Dubai.(11) The cable off of Dubai was reported by CNN to be a FLAG Falcon cable.(10) And then on 3 February came reports of yet another damaged undersea cable, this time between Qatar and the UAE (United Arab Emirates).(6)(7)(11)
The confusion was compounded by another report on 1 February 2008 of a cut undersea cable running through the Suez to Sri Lanka.(19) If the report is accurate this would represent a sixth cut cable. The same article mentions the cut cable off of Dubai in the Persian Gulf, but seeing as the Suez is on the other side of the Arabian peninsula from the Persian Gulf, the article logically appears to be describing two separate cable cutting incidents.
These reports were followed on 4 February 2008 with a report of even more cut undersea cables. The Khaleej Times reported a total of five damaged undersea cables: two off of Egypt and the cable near Dubai, all of which have already been mentioned in this report. But then the Khaleej Times mentions two that have not been mentioned elsewhere, to my knowledge: 1) a cable in the Persian Gulf near Bandar Abbas, Iran, and 2) the SeaMeWe4 undersea cable near Penang, Malaysia.(3) The one near Penang, Malaysia appears to represent a new incident. The one near Bandar Abbas is reported separately from the one off Dubai and is evidently not the same incident, since the report says , "FLAG near the Dubai coast" and "FALCON near Bandar Abbas in Iran" were both cut. Bandar Abbas is on the other side of the Persian Gulf from Qatar and the UAE, and so presumably the cut cable near Bandar Abbas is not the one in that incident either. Interestingly, the report also states that, "The first cut in the undersea Internet cable occurred on January 23, in the Flag Telcoms FALCON submarine cable which was not reported.(3) This news article deals primarily with the outage in the UAE, so it raises the question as to whether this is a reference to yet a ninth cut cable that has not hit the mainstream news cycle in the United States.
By my count, we are probably dealing with as many as eight, maybe even nine, unexplained cut or damaged undersea cables within the last week, and not the mere three or four that most mainstream news media outlets in the United States are presently reporting. Given all this cable-cutting mayhem in the last several days, who knows but what there may possibly be other cut and/or damaged cables that have not made it into the news cycle, because they are lost in the general cable-cutting noise by this point. Nevertheless, let me enumerate what I can, and keep in mind, I am not pulling these out of a hat; all of the sources are referenced at the conclusion of the article; you can click through and look at all the evidence that I have. It's there if you care to read through it all.
one off of Marseille, France
two off of Alexandria, Egypt
one off of Dubai, in the Persian Gulf
one off of Bandar Abbas, Iran in the Persian Gulf
one between Qatar and the UAE, in the Persian Gulf
one in the Suez, Egypt
one near Penang, Malaysia
initially unreported cable cut on 23 January 2008 (Persian Gulf?)
(the article continues at length, covering 'who potentially benefits' and a number of pointers towards
additional strange or potentially significant news items)
References
1) http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=12020645732
79&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
2) http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/business/?id=24186
3) http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/the
uae/2008/February/theuae_February121.xml§ion=theuae
4) http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080202132053.iohfg5ob&show_article=1
5) http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/02/04/2153455.htm
6) http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i03tUdyj8wf2Xa9P4trWEjqAJdyQ
7) http://www.arabianbusiness.com/510132-internet-probl
ems-continue-with-fourth-cable-break?ln=en
8) http://www.globalresearch.ca/PrintArticle.php?articleId=7980
9) https://confluence.slac.stanford.edu/display/IEPM/Effect
s+of+Fibre+Outage+through+Mediterranean
10) http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/02/01/internet.outage/?iref=hpmostpop
11) http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/04/technology/cables.php
12) http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/business/worldbu
siness/31cable.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
13) http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/01/31/Cut-cabl
e-disrupts-Internet-in-Middle-East_1.html
14) http://www.specialoperations.com/Operations/ivybells.html
15) http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,,2213925,00.html
16) http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=37468§ionid=351020103
17) http://www.roadstoiraq.com/2008/02/02/egypt-rejected-an-american-israeli-
proposal-to-re-settle-800000-palestinians-in-sinai/
18) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=
/news/2008/01/24/wgaza124.xml
19) http://www.smartmoney.com/news/on/inde
x.cfm?story=ON-20080201-000320-0524
20) http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB177/info_ops_roadmap.pdf
in addition, there are more cables that have been cut..
Here's an excerpt from a longer article at http://www.rense.com/general80/cable.htm
------------
Connecting The Many Undersea Cut Cable Dots - 9 Or More?
The last week has seen a spate of unexplained, cut, undersea communications cables that has severely disrupted communications in many countries in the Middle East, North Africa and South Asia. As I shall show, the total numbers of cut cables remain in question, but likely number as many as eight, and maybe nine or more.
The trouble began on 30 January 2008 with CNN reports that two cables were cut off the Egyptian Mediterranean coast, initially severely disrupting Internet and telephone traffic from Egypt to India and many points in between. According to CNN the two cut cables "account for as much as three-quarters of the international communications between Europe and the Middle East." CNN reported that the two cut cables off the Egyptian coast were "FLAG Telecom's FLAG Europe-Asia cable and SeaMeWe-4, a cable owned by a consortium of more than a dozen telecommunications companies".(10) Other reports placed one of the cut cables, SeaMeWe-4, off the coast of France, near Marseille.(9)(12) However, many news organizations reported two cables cut off the Egyptian coast, including the SeaMeWe-4 cable connecting Europe with the Middle East. The possibilities are thus three, based on the reporting in the news media: 1) the SeaMeWe-4 cable was cut off the coast of France, and mistakenly reported as being cut off the coast of Egypt, because it runs from France to Egypt; 2) the SeaMeWe-4 cable was cut off the Egyptian coast and mistakenly reported as being cut off the coast of France, because it runs from France to Egypt; or 3) the SeaMeWe-4 cable was cut both off the Egyptian and the French coasts, nearly simultaneously, leading to confusion in the reporting. I am not sure what to think, because most reports, such as this one from the International Herald Tribune, refer to two cut cables off the Egyptian coast, one of the two being the SeaMeWe4 cable,(11) while other reports also refer to a cut cable off the coast of France.(9)(12) It thus appears that the same cable may have suffered two cuts, both off the French and the Egyptian coasts. So there were likely actually three undersea cables cut in the Mediterranean on 30 January 2008.
In the case of the cables cut off the Egyptian coast, the news media initially advanced the explanation that the cables had been cut by ships' anchors.(10)(13) But on 3 February the Egyptian Ministry of Communications and Information Technology said that a review of video footage of the coastal waters where the two cables passed revealed that the area had been devoid of ship traffic for the 12 hours preceding and the 12 hours following the time of the cable cuts.(5)(11) So the cable cuts cannot have been caused by ship anchors, in view of the fact that there were no ships there.
The cable cutting was just getting started. Two days later an undersea cable was reported cut in the Persian Gulf, 55 kilometers off of Dubai.(11) The cable off of Dubai was reported by CNN to be a FLAG Falcon cable.(10) And then on 3 February came reports of yet another damaged undersea cable, this time between Qatar and the UAE (United Arab Emirates).(6)(7)(11)
The confusion was compounded by another report on 1 February 2008 of a cut undersea cable running through the Suez to Sri Lanka.(19) If the report is accurate this would represent a sixth cut cable. The same article mentions the cut cable off of Dubai in the Persian Gulf, but seeing as the Suez is on the other side of the Arabian peninsula from the Persian Gulf, the article logically appears to be describing two separate cable cutting incidents.
These reports were followed on 4 February 2008 with a report of even more cut undersea cables. The Khaleej Times reported a total of five damaged undersea cables: two off of Egypt and the cable near Dubai, all of which have already been mentioned in this report. But then the Khaleej Times mentions two that have not been mentioned elsewhere, to my knowledge: 1) a cable in the Persian Gulf near Bandar Abbas, Iran, and 2) the SeaMeWe4 undersea cable near Penang, Malaysia.(3) The one near Penang, Malaysia appears to represent a new incident. The one near Bandar Abbas is reported separately from the one off Dubai and is evidently not the same incident, since the report says , "FLAG near the Dubai coast" and "FALCON near Bandar Abbas in Iran" were both cut. Bandar Abbas is on the other side of the Persian Gulf from Qatar and the UAE, and so presumably the cut cable near Bandar Abbas is not the one in that incident either. Interestingly, the report also states that, "The first cut in the undersea Internet cable occurred on January 23, in the Flag Telcoms FALCON submarine cable which was not reported.(3) This news article deals primarily with the outage in the UAE, so it raises the question as to whether this is a reference to yet a ninth cut cable that has not hit the mainstream news cycle in the United States.
By my count, we are probably dealing with as many as eight, maybe even nine, unexplained cut or damaged undersea cables within the last week, and not the mere three or four that most mainstream news media outlets in the United States are presently reporting. Given all this cable-cutting mayhem in the last several days, who knows but what there may possibly be other cut and/or damaged cables that have not made it into the news cycle, because they are lost in the general cable-cutting noise by this point. Nevertheless, let me enumerate what I can, and keep in mind, I am not pulling these out of a hat; all of the sources are referenced at the conclusion of the article; you can click through and look at all the evidence that I have. It's there if you care to read through it all.
one off of Marseille, France
two off of Alexandria, Egypt
one off of Dubai, in the Persian Gulf
one off of Bandar Abbas, Iran in the Persian Gulf
one between Qatar and the UAE, in the Persian Gulf
one in the Suez, Egypt
one near Penang, Malaysia
initially unreported cable cut on 23 January 2008 (Persian Gulf?)
(the article continues at length, covering 'who potentially benefits' and a number of pointers towards
additional strange or potentially significant news items)
References
1) http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=12020645732
79&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
2) http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/business/?id=24186
3) http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/the
uae/2008/February/theuae_February121.xml§ion=theuae
4) http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080202132053.iohfg5ob&show_article=1
5) http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/02/04/2153455.htm
6) http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i03tUdyj8wf2Xa9P4trWEjqAJdyQ
7) http://www.arabianbusiness.com/510132-internet-probl
ems-continue-with-fourth-cable-break?ln=en
8) http://www.globalresearch.ca/PrintArticle.php?articleId=7980
9) https://confluence.slac.stanford.edu/display/IEPM/Effect
s+of+Fibre+Outage+through+Mediterranean
10) http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/02/01/internet.outage/?iref=hpmostpop
11) http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/04/technology/cables.php
12) http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/business/worldbu
siness/31cable.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
13) http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/01/31/Cut-cabl
e-disrupts-Internet-in-Middle-East_1.html
14) http://www.specialoperations.com/Operations/ivybells.html
15) http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,,2213925,00.html
16) http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=37468§ionid=351020103
17) http://www.roadstoiraq.com/2008/02/02/egypt-rejected-an-american-israeli-
proposal-to-re-settle-800000-palestinians-in-sinai/
18) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=
/news/2008/01/24/wgaza124.xml
19) http://www.smartmoney.com/news/on/inde
x.cfm?story=ON-20080201-000320-0524
20) http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB177/info_ops_roadmap.pdf
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its up 2 number 5 now
“These are SeaMeWe-4 (South East Asia-Middle East-Western Europe-4) near Penang, Malaysia, the FLAG Europe-Asia near Alexandria, FLAG near the Dubai coast, FALCON near Bandar Abbas in Iran and SeaMeWe-4, also near Alexandria.”
http://www.ilovebonnie.net/2008/02/06/apparently-ships-can-drag-anchors-from-egypt-to-malaysia/
america **** yeah!
“These are SeaMeWe-4 (South East Asia-Middle East-Western Europe-4) near Penang, Malaysia, the FLAG Europe-Asia near Alexandria, FLAG near the Dubai coast, FALCON near Bandar Abbas in Iran and SeaMeWe-4, also near Alexandria.”
http://www.ilovebonnie.net/2008/02/06/apparently-ships-can-drag-anchors-from-egypt-to-malaysia/
america **** yeah!
What does this have to do with cables being cut in the med?
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Cable cutter nutters chase underwater conspriacies
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/07/cut_underseas_cable_conspiracies/
I'd go with that.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/07/cut_underseas_cable_conspiracies/
I'd go with that.
well.
1) America is planning to move on another nation in the east. Cutting these cables cuts off most telecommunications/news/info from the enemy. Sure there are sat connections..but few.
2) The new Iranian Oil Bourse thing starts end of the month. This is a NON US$ based market, so its further fuxring the states. IMPO they have delayed the opening of this by cutting the cables...which will give them enough time to get in there and secure the oil for themeselfs.
R10 bet. another "terrorist" event happens quiet soon...and they go into iran.
BTW there are now 8 cables that havge been cut. is such a short time its quiet nieve to think that they have all been anchors....all in the middle east region and all vital to news/internet. sure there are anchor accidents.. but come on ..so many so concentrated? all ships that work in area's are given cable locations as NOT to anchor there.
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/02/who-cut-the-cab.html (check the pic...)
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Lets take the Egypt one:
No ships in the vicinity of the point of the fault for at least 12hours before and after the the problem. No record of any geological activity either. So where does that leave us, i.t.o. possible causes?
No ships in the vicinity of the point of the fault for at least 12hours before and after the the problem. No record of any geological activity either. So where does that leave us, i.t.o. possible causes?
I'll take you up on that. Just be a bit more specific cause there are various terrorist events almost everyday that aren't covered on 'conspiracyRus.com'
Oh also 'quite soon' could mean almost anything
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If you had ever planned any kind of military operation you would know that your greatest advantage comes from surprise. You don't go cutting comms links a few weeks before attacking, to give the enemy time to make alternative arrangements, now do you?
I'll take you up on that. Just be a bit more specific cause there are various terrorist events almost everyday that aren't covered on 'conspiracyRus.com'
Oh also 'quite soon' could mean almost anything
well by that i mean a terrorist event that gives the states the excuse to go into Iran.
by 'quite soon' i mean before june/july.
look im not saying that this is just a conspiracy...could be... but IMO these events are all to close together and location wise only would benifit one cause.
hell could turn out to be a pissed off blue whale thats lost...but we shall find out i suppose.
we are talking about the states here... they were telling every1 about iraq b4 they went in...its their style
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I find your argument pathetic.
Well considering Iran is supplying insurgents with Iranian weapons killing U.S & U.K troops that is an 'excuse' right now. But we'll ignore that.
Okay a 'terrorist event' is used by the U.S to invade Iran by July. I'll take you up on it. However I think we need to wager something different then R10 cause you can't send someone R10 can you?
its not an argument...its my personal opinion on the matter.
I understand that it sounds far fetched...but i think that there is a chance that there is something fishy going on here.
if u dont think the same thats kewl...im just making my thoughts known.
RE the troops to iraq...yeah...but i dont think that thats going 2 be the call to invade...so ill ignore that
RE the R10 ... dont u trust the SA post office?
...R10 in a brown paper envelop. sure that'll make it. ... well kinda hehe
RE the troops to iraq...yeah...but i dont think that thats going 2 be the call to invade...so ill ignore that
RE the R10 ... dont u trust the SA post office?
No.
Perhaps posting a pick of yourself holding a self derogatory signboard
