US Election 2020 - Pt 2

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cerebus said:
How did Obama lie?
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he blamed trump for 150 000 covid deaths - essentially every death.
given that, ramaphosa could be blamed for every single death, as could bj in the uk - every president of every country.

there is no shadow of doubt in my mind agent orange fukked up, and badly so - but to try blame him for every death is reaching somewhat, and also rather dishonest, which is something i never expected from obama.
by all means blame him for performing perhaps worse than anyone else in dealing with covid - but every death ??
 
Grant said:
come now, that was nothing but a boring humdrum reading from teleprompters - hardly fiery and inspirational.
even zuma could read nice scripts, although he had a problem when there were too many zeros in a texts.

obama delivered something memorable for voters to take to the ballot - pity he lied about covid, that i truly did not expect from him
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The current GOP election strategy has run out of pretty much everything, so they have resorted to a one trick pony of a story that Biden is more senile than Trump.

Even with teleprompters Trump cannot deliver anything of substantial eloquence that compares to that. He goes off sheet and it becomes a bigly word salad of hamberders, made in Nambia.
 
Grant said:
he blamed trump for 150 000 covid deaths - essentially every death.
given that, ramaposa could be blamed for every single death, as could bj in the uk - every president of every country.

there is no shadow of doubt in my mind agent orange fukked up, and badly so - but to try blame him for every death is reaching somewhat, and also rather dishonest, which is something i never expected from obama.
by all means blame him for performing perhaps worse than anyone else in dealing with covid - but every death ??
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I don't think that is what he intended to say:

Donald Trump hasn’t grown into the job because he can’t. And the consequences of that failure are severe. 170,000 Americans dead. Millions of jobs gone. Our worst impulses unleashed, our proud reputation around the world badly diminished, and our democratic institutions threatened like never before.
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Those are simply the facts.
 
Pegasus said:
That's a mild relief that Trump is ok.

Quit posting about Bannon though, I am a fan.
This is like Hansi-gate.
Can't believe this schlit. :oops:

Some of the people who leave his employ sure get themselves in kuk.
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People have been saying Bannon is a fraud since day one.
 
Pegasus said:
That's a mild relief that Trump is ok.

Quit posting about Bannon though, I am a fan.
This is like Hansi-gate.
Can't believe this schlit. :oops:

Some of the people who leave his employ sure get themselves in kuk.
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This is what you get with the GOP, law and order and real accountability.

I don't think Bannon would be guilty, that would have been really stupid of him and I don't think he is this stupid. It seems like it was just the one other guy that really helped himself to the money.

Hopefully anyone that took some of the money for personal use go to jail.

You would never see the same level of accountability on the other side.
 
cerebus said:
I don't think that is what he intended to say:



Those are simply the facts.
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now you are trying to perpetuate the very same lie
Donald Trump hasn’t grown into the job because he can’t. And the consequences of that failure are severe. 170,000 Americans dead.
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he blamed trump for every death - and that is a big fat porker.
he could probably have got away with blaming trump for 90% of deaths - but every death, really ?
 
Grant said:
now you are trying to perpetuate the very same lie

he blamed trump for every death - and that is a big fat porker.
he could probably have got away with blaming trump for 90% of deaths - but every death, really ?
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You're really stretching, come on. What he was saying is - the insanely high death toll which has resulted in 25% of Covid deaths coming from the USA despite it only having 5% of the global population is a result of Trump's mismanagement of the crisis. What he was not saying was - every single death is his fault and nobody would have died if I was still president. Get a grip buddy.
 
buka001 said:
The current GOP election strategy has run out of pretty much everything, so they have resorted to a one trick pony of a story that Biden is more senile than Trump.

Even with teleprompters Trump cannot deliver anything of substantial eloquence that compares to that. He goes off sheet and it becomes a bigly word salad of hamberders, made in Nambia.
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its not about gop strategy.
come election day the drones will make their way to the ballots.
both conservatives and liberals will dutifully vote as instructed.

however, its those straddling the fence that need inspiration to jump.
 
cerebus said:
You're really stretching, come on. What he was saying is - the insanely high death toll which has resulted in 25% of Covid deaths coming from the USA despite it only having 5% of the global population is a result of Trump's mismanagement of the crisis. What he was not saying was - every single death is his fault and nobody would have died if I was still president. Get a grip buddy.
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no - it's not about how you would like to interpret what you think he meant, its about the words that were actually said:
Donald Trump hasn’t grown into the job because he can’t. And the consequences of that failure are severe. 170,000 Americans dead.
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are you in some kind of denial ?
 
Pegasus said:
Thats not helping.
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Bannon is an opportunist, smart and his hubris got the better of him. He understood the gullibility of the Trump supporter and played them.

Still does not detract from his neo-fascist tendencies and his alt right nationalism and how he fermented the dangerous elements of the far right culture warriors.
 
Grant said:
no - it's not about how you would like to interpret what you think he meant, its about the words that were actually said:
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Yes he actually said that the death toll is Trump's fault - not that every single dead person is Trump's fault. Would a lot of people have died regardless of whether Trump was in office? Of course. Would it have been even close to 170,000? It's hard to imagine.

Btw we're at 178000 this morning in the USA, and that's just the official number.
 
cerebus said:
Yes he actually said that the death toll is Trump's fault - not that every single dead person is Trump's fault. Would a lot of people have died regardless of whether Trump was in office? Of course. Would it have been even close to 170,000? It's hard to imagine.

Btw we're at 178000 this morning in the USA, and that's just the official number.
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we can play on the roundabout all day, but i have to go to the swings now and deal with a lunatic, who on average is sending me a mail every 30 minutes in an 8hr working day
 
Pegasus said:
I thought Trump was a dictator and Barr was his personal attorney.
Not sure how Trump's associates keep getting nailed if the above is true.

Maybe Bannon gets a pardon.
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How little political protection anyone associated with Trump have received is revolutionary. I don't believe any previous administration was this good of at keeping their own side clean.

It does sometimes seems a bit unfair as the otherside isn't under the same scrutiny, but it is a step in the right direction.
 
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rietrot said:
How little political protection anyone associated with Trump have received is revolutionary. I don't believe any previous administration was this good of at keeping their own side clean.

It does something seems a bit unfair as the otherside isn't under the same scrutiny, but it is a step in the right direction.
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/Bill Barr sips his tea and keeps scrolling down this page.
 
rietrot said:
How little political protection anyone associated with Trump have received is revolutionary. I don't believe any previous administration was this good of at keeping their own side clean.

It does sometimes seems a bit unfair as the otherside isn't under the same scrutiny, but it is a step in the right direction.
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Yeah its not like they did any investigations after Benghazi.
 
greg0205 said:
/Bill Barr sips his tea and keeps scrolling down this page.
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Just doing his job. If the media wasn't so partisan he could probably sort out the Dem's corruption problems aswell.

But as soon as someone just looks at the obvious corruption in the Biden and Clinton families the media starts screaming that Trump is targeting political opponents.

So they are politically protected, and will fall on their own marits during the elections.
 
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