US Election 2020 - Pt 2

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With your mate Donnie being the poster child of that exact concept. Chris I don't mean this sarcastically but can you further explain because your viewpoints aren't adding up today.

If you hold "Montana" in esteem then you *should* hate Trump and all he stands for. But you don't. It doesn't make sense to us.

I don't particularly like Trump as a person...where did I imply that? What I do congratulate him for is at least bringing to the fore issues that both establishment Rep + Dems were far too happy to simply ignore or more ominously both parties agreed ( trade agreements are automatically good for the American workers. Really?) Just like establishment Reps clearly love immigrantion (while their base doesnt,) and many establishment Dems like Wall Street (while their base doesnt), the Don is one of the few politicians who at least espouses non-elite views. I remember how the media were literally salivating over a Bush v Clinton contest in 2016... honestly I think that would have been the most boring contest in history.

Let me say this again: "Trumpism" is going to far outlast Trump. A cleaner, more suave media performer would crush Biden while disentangling all the corruption encircling the White House.
 

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If Trump loses in November, all of a sudden nobody here will ever have been a Trump supporter.

Already seeing it.
 

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Probably very little. Montana is a lovely rural state where it is main tourist attractions are national parks and the like. It's a version of America that I very much like. Now compare that to the urban crime hotspots of NYC, Portland and the like. Horrible places. I personally couldn't wait to leave NYC as a tourist. It's a monument to crass materialism.

 

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The Orange Dotard is impressed that they like him.

QAnon groups hit by Facebook crackdown
Facebook took down thousands of accounts, pages and groups as part an effort to limit violent rhetoric tied to QAnon, political militias and protest groups.

Aug. 19, 2020, 2:59 PM EDT
By Ben Collins and Brandy Zadrozny
Facebook on Wednesday banned about 900 pages and groups and 1,500 ads tied to the pro-Trump conspiracy theory QAnon, part of a sweeping action that also restricted the reach of over 10,000 Instagram pages and almost 2,000 Facebook groups pushing the baseless conspiracy theory, which has spawned real-world violence.
Facebook also took down thousands of accounts, pages and groups as part of what it called a "policy expansion," seeking to limit violent rhetoric tied to QAnon, political militias and protest groups like antifa.

QAnon is an elaborate, unfounded conspiracy theory alleging that President Donald Trump is secretly saving the world from a group of prominent satanic cannibals who run the world. The group has been linked to several violent, criminal incidents, including a train hijacking, kidnappings, a police chase and a murder.
The new policy says "Pages, Groups and Instagram accounts associated with these movements and organizations will be removed when they discuss potential violence."
QAnon, militia movements and violent movements tied to protests will no longer be allowed to buy ads on Facebook. QAnon ads, which often pushed merchandise, were allowed on the platform before Wednesday's announcement.

Facebook will now downrank QAnon, militia and anarchist protest groups on users' News Feeds and in Facebook and Instagram's search engines. The groups and accounts will no longer be featured in the "recommendations" sidebar on similar pages. The ban will also prohibit fundraising based on hashtags related to the movements on Facebook and Instagram.

Over the last month, since supporters of the group were largely banned from Twitter, QAnon believers co-opted the hashtag "#SaveTheChildren" to evade bans and recruit otherwise apolitical followers.

A Facebook spokesperson said the enforcement actions will continue as the company works to evolve its strategy.

"This doesn't mean we've captured all of the ones we want to restrict yet," the spokesperson said. "We 100 percent know that they're going to change their terminology. We don't think we're flipping a switch and this won't be a discussion in a week."
 

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Except she has no hope of being elected. As much I love the democratic nature of primaries, I've realised one big flaw is that only political aficionados sign up as members of political parties but they also seem to be the ones who are most extreme in their views and this is sometimes reflected in who they decide to elect...

There's an actual Democrat in Congress who engages in anti-Semitic tropes

Except she still has the support of the GOP, as does Marjorie Taylor Greene, who will very likely win.

And what does it tell you about the GOP if the most committed political aficionados support her?
 

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Probably very little. Montana is a lovely rural state where it is main tourist attractions are national parks and the like. It's a version of America that I very much like. Now compare that to the urban crime hotspots of NYC, Portland and the like. Horrible places. I personally couldn't wait to leave NYC as a tourist. It's a monument to crass materialism.
Why do you think Trump went and put his name on a tall building, in the middle of the monument to crass materialism.

Reminds me of 9/11, when he was interviewed and spoke more about how his building is now one of the tallest in Manhattan. Fkn oblivious. Nearly 3000 Americans had just died. People were jumping out of buildings to escape the fire and he makes it all about him.

I mean, 40 Wall Street actually was the second tallest building in downtown Manhattan, and it was actually before the World Trade Center the tallest, and then when they built the World Trade Center it became known as the second tallest, and now it's the tallest.

Anyway he is the epitome of the very thing you are arguing against.
 

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I'm surprised with those blinkers you can see at all.
Sure Mr "I don't support Trump, but will argue against anyone criticising him, while never really criticising Trump or calling him out for his BS, while supporting Trump's essential policies and ideological stand points".

Sure.
 

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Sure Mr "I don't support Trump, but will argue against anyone criticising him, while never really criticising Trump or calling him out for his BS, while supporting Trump's essential policies and ideological stand points".

Sure.
Are you a goldfish? I can't be bothered to explain it to you again since 3 seconds later I'll just have to do it again.
 

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I don't particularly like Trump as a person...where did I imply that? What I do congratulate him for is at least bringing to the fore issues that both establishment Rep + Dems were far too happy to simply ignore or more ominously both parties agreed ( trade agreements are automatically good for the American workers. Really?) Just like establishment Reps clearly love immigrantion (while their base doesnt,) and many establishment Dems like Wall Street (while their base doesnt), the Don is one of the few politicians who at least espouses non-elite views. I remember how the media were literally salivating over a Bush v Clinton contest in 2016... honestly I think that would have been the most boring contest in history.

Let me say this again: "Trumpism" is going to far outlast Trump. A cleaner, more suave media performer would crush Biden while disentangling all the corruption encircling the White House.
Thanks for clarifying. I appreciate that.

I will admit that I still don't quite get it as my assessment is that Trump is clearly lying about his non-elite views. It is all a con. A grift. And those folks are understandably falling for it cause it feels good in the short term to "suck it to the libs". Tax cuts that favor the ultra wealthy with crumbs for the middle and working class. Constantly trying to cut welfare programs that the working class rely on to get by. Trade wars that create market instability and put rural livelihoods at risk. etc

I'd compare it to Rome where the Emperor put on games in the Colosseum to entertain the working and poor folk, but didn't actually do anything to directly improve their lot. Distracted them to be able to fleece them and retain power.
 

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I really don't get the Dems' obsession with bringing out all manner of celebs...firstly, a large percentage of people don't give a hoot what a celeb thinks about politics + it just reinforces the "coastal (liberal) elites" problem that the Dems continue to struggle with.

Hmm, yes...

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Yes, but he isn't a coastal elite or at least doesn't hold political views of that class.

You really could not have illustrated how vacuous this line of criticism coming from conservatives is.

You know where Trump is from, right?

A New Yorker who lives in a golden penthouse with his named plastered on the front is somehow not a "coastal elite".

It's extremely obvious Trump has nothing but contempt for the working class.
 

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His views on immigration and trade? Very much what the majority of working class are thinking in the US. I mean Sanders' trade views are not a world away from Trump's views on trade...

However, the working class also love stuff like Mediaid, Social Security etc. that Republicans want to cut but Trump has been vocal in keeping those benefits and certainly has less interest in cutting such entitlements than more orthodox Republicans.

Is this a joke?

His budgets proposals have repeatedly cut them.


And he wants to eliminate the payroll tax, which would completely gut Social Security since that's how it's funded.

You are the mark, Chris.
 

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Now that people are dying close to her it's a problem. Sharon Stone is one of the Elite. People have been dying of Malaria for decades at similar rates, while she lives in her mansion drinking Crystal hoarding resources like a dragon.

Shame, she's no longer good looking and has very little to offer.
Here's another one to TRIGGER you - no longer good looking

LOL, the dumb Trumptards, all the musicians, actors, .......... that they now hate because they've spoken out againts their dear leader the Orange Dotard.

Clint Eastwood cuts support for President Trump, swaps to a Dem candidate.
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Actor and director Clint Eastwood, a longtime supporter of Republican candidates, appeared to back Democratic candidate Michael Bloomberg for president and criticized President Donald Trump's behavior in office in an interview published in The Wall Street Journal on Friday.
 

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Probably very little. Montana is a lovely rural state where it is main tourist attractions are national parks and the like. It's a version of America that I very much like. Now compare that to the urban crime hotspots of NYC, Portland and the like. Horrible places. I personally couldn't wait to leave NYC as a tourist. It's a monument to crass materialism.

So how long did you actually live in Montana? I'm sure you must have been there at least a couple of years to become so expert on the place...
 

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I don't particularly like Trump as a person...where did I imply that? What I do congratulate him for is at least bringing to the fore issues that both establishment Rep + Dems were far too happy to simply ignore or more ominously both parties agreed ( trade agreements are automatically good for the American workers. Really?) Just like establishment Reps clearly love immigrantion (while their base doesnt,) and many establishment Dems like Wall Street (while their base doesnt), the Don is one of the few politicians who at least espouses non-elite views. I remember how the media were literally salivating over a Bush v Clinton contest in 2016... honestly I think that would have been the most boring contest in history.

Let me say this again: "Trumpism" is going to far outlast Trump. A cleaner, more suave media performer would crush Biden while disentangling all the corruption encircling the White House.

I sort of agree with the first part, but the idea that Trump is the non-elite candidate who will disentangle the corruption encircling the WH is so bizarre. Unless you meant a non-corrupt, cultural conservative/economic populist type.

But then it's not "Trumpism". Endemic corruption is the core of Trumpism.

And there's nothing non-elite about Trump. He's given plutocrats free rein to pollute, loot and extract whatever they want. He's been very good for the "elite". Not so much for anyone else.
 

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Probably very little. Montana is a lovely rural state where it is main tourist attractions are national parks and the like. It's a version of America that I very much like. Now compare that to the urban crime hotspots of NYC, Portland and the like. Horrible places. I personally couldn't wait to leave NYC as a tourist. It's a monument to crass materialism.
Ha ha, accidentally Left Wing there hey Chris :X3:
 
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