US Election 2020 - Pt 2

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Pegasus said:
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Cool story bro. Can you show me the state of war that was declared, that the Peace Deal has ended?

These deals normalise relations and definitely do calm matters and make discourse possible, as it limits the Israelis from annexing more territory. Just not sure where the "Peace" part comes?
 
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Pegasus said:
Yeah, the ME will implode like when he moved the embassy, or decided to drop support for the Kurds, or get Solemeini etc...

All things leftists were totally against.
Like now.
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Have said before, if this gets Palestinians to negotiate and accept a deal then I think everyone will congratulate Trump but the pressure clearly isn't working yet... Do you think black South Africans would have stopped fighting apartheid if neighboring countries had suddenly normalized relations with the Nats?

The Palestinians are a desperate, radicalized population - am not sure they really care if tiny Arab states like the UAE establish normal relations with Isreal.
 
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Have said before, if this gets Palestinians to negotiate and accept a deal then I think everyone will congratulate Trump but the pressure clearly isn't working yet... Do you think black South Africans would have stopped fighting apartheid if neighboring countries had suddenly normalized relations with the Nats?

The Palestinians are a desperate, radicalized population - am not sure they really care if tiny Arab states like the UAE establish normal relations with Isreal.
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This. They basically need a de Klerk and Mandela. But they don't have strong enough leadership and Palestine doesn't have the population advantage that they can take over in a democratic one state solution so they don't have the same incentive. They will keep playing the victim and keep firing off some rockets every now and then to cement their victimhood status.
 
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The left want medical care for all but now they have a problem with medical care for all... you really can't make this stuff up.
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I look forward to the day when Trump tweets that he wants open borders.
 
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buka001 said:
You keep deflecting with the "I don't put anyone on a pedestal, but you do" line.
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Have said before, if this gets Palestinians to negotiate and accept a deal then I think everyone will congratulate Trump but the pressure clearly isn't working yet... Do you think black South Africans would have stopped fighting apartheid if neighboring countries had suddenly normalized relations with the Nats?
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Why would the ANC go to the negotiation table and have to compromise their position when they have the Soviet Union funding and supporting their people's war (you know the one that school history taught everyone where the ANC went about murdering all other black opposition)?

Why don't we read some history:
On 31 January 1985 State President P. W. Botha offers Nelson Mandela, leader of the banned African National Congress (ANC), conditional release from the prison sentence he had been serving since the conclusion of the Rivonia Trial in 1964. The condition of his release is that he renounces violence, and violent protest, as a means to bring about change in South Africa. Mandela communicates his refusal of the offer through his daughter, Zindzi Mandela, who reads his statement to this effect at a rally in Soweto on 10 February 1985. He states that the ANC's only adopted violence as a means of protest "When other forms of resistance were no longer open to us".

Mandela had called for the unbanning of the ANC in January 1985 during an interview with Lord Bethell. He asked government to negotiate with the Liberatory Organisation as a political party. The interview was published in the Mail on Sunday, a British publication, in the same month. In response a South African government spokesperson stated that the apartheid regime would be prepared to negotiate with the ANC if the organisation renounced violence.
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Notice what happened. The ANC only wanted to negotiate when they had the means of violence. Pull the plug on their Soviet funding and they had no alternative.

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The Palestinians are a desperate, radicalized population - am not sure they really care if tiny Arab states like the UAE establish normal relations with Isreal.
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Those tiny Arab states have a lot of money.

What could happen with this tactic though, is it pushes the Palestinians deeper into the hands of Iran and friends.
 
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I personally think, the debates are a bit of asham. From Obama Vs Clinton time when they softballed Obama to the presidency.

I don't imagine any of the candidates this time would remember the name of the president/pm of Ukraine off the cuff , let alone the president of Scotland.

Essentially the debates are only a popularity contest of sorts. Going through them without gathering too much mud is the entire point of then
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So go on Joe Rogan.....oh wait, no teleprompters.

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Those tiny Arab states have a lot of money.

What could happen with this tactic though, is it pushes the Palestinians deeper into the hands of Iran and friends.
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Entirely possible.
 
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buka001 said:
You keep deflecting with the "I don't put anyone on a pedestal, but you do" line.

Right wing conservatives and the alt-right are very fond of this.

Look at the popularity on Facebook and youtube of the likes of Ben Shapiro.
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So popularity equals putting people on a pedestal? Pretzel logic here folks.

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And look at the time before his daughter nuked his health, Jordan Peterson. Criticise him and by god you would get a 1000000 replies of bUT AKshUAlly have you watched 70 hours of his youtube videos and read 2 of his books? How vacuous does ones ideas need to be that you can only understand it in such a manner?
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Please point out what you have issues with. Your standard btw since you demand this of others. Have you read his book? Have you looked at the well stocked bibliography. What do you have an issue with?
 
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Entirely possible.
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But then again, a rising ride raises all boats. The moment the Palestinians realise they will get more money by working with Israel than fighting Israel will be when the conflict ends.

I think the biggest change has been the fact that everyone involved has stopped seeing the Israeli-Palestine conflict as being the source of all Middle Eastern conflict. You just need a cursory glance at history to know that the region has been unstable for far longer than the existence of Israel.

I have a feeling that the way the Israeli Palestine conflict will only get resolved once Iran has been tamed.
 
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