US Election 2020 - Pt 2

[konfab]

Fair question, where was the conflict?

The deal started because of Israeli needing medical equipment, because of COVID-19. UAE provided on a quid pro quo basis that Israel abandon its plans of annexation. Some usual posturing at the negotiating table and tgey closed it out.

Normalising diplomatic relations, which is good. Most countries don't call this a peace treaty.

What did I miss?

The Khartoum resolution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khartoum_Resolution

no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it.

Now:

US President Donald Trump is now saying there are between seven and nine countries ready to make peace with Israel, after estimating just hours ago there were five or six such states.

Asked if he expected Saudi Arabia to follow suit, Trump says “I do. I spoke with the king of Saudi Arabia,” adding it would come “at the right time.”

“I think seven or eight or nine” more countries would normalize relations with Israel, he says.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-september-15-2020/

If most of the Arab league actually starts doing business with Israel, it means they recognise it.

 

[greg0205]

Tell him who gets a choice greg.

Ideally the woman.

In Trumpland 'tho, its men, and ICE agents, and priests, and Republican operatives.

 

[konfab]

You seem troubled by the concept of "choice" too, konfab.

LOL.

I don't have a problem with abortions, if people want to murder their own children, it is their business. Just don't call it something it isn't.

It is actually people not using the concept choice that I have a problem with.
"I accidentally had sex with someone"
"I accidentally didn't use birth control"

What I do have a problem with, is forcing me to subsidise the choices of others.

You do actually have a problem with choice though. You don't want to give taxpayers the ability to not pay for the welfare of others.

 

[Pegasus]

Ideally the woman.

In Trumpland 'tho, its men, and ICE agents, and priests, and Republican operatives.

So no choice for the Dad or kid(s).

Not really a fair choice then is it?

 

[greg0205]

konfab:

I don't have a problem with abortions

Also konfab:

if people want to murder their own children, it is their business

 

[greg0205]

So no choice for the Dad or kid(s).

Not really a fair choice then is it?

Oh, *now* you're invoking "fair".

 

[konfab]

konfab:



Also konfab:

Yes.

Or let me put it in CNN terms for you, Abortion is a mostly death free process for the foetus.

I can separate the legal stance of abortions from the moral one. The legal stance is that for all intents and purposes, the foetus is part of a woman's body. The moral stance for me at least, is that that foetus has slightly higher moral significance to people than a clump of cells.

For example, if someone did a mostly non-violent kick to my pregnant wife in the stomach and caused a miscarriage, I would consider that the murder of my child, and probably act extremely irrationally towards them.

 

[zeb]

 

[greg0205]

Yes.

Or let me put it in CNN terms for you, Abortion is a mostly death free process for the foetus.

I can separate the legal stance of abortions from the moral one. The legal stance is that for all intents and purposes, the foetus is part of a woman's body. The moral stance for me at least, is that that foetus has slightly higher moral significance to people than a clump of cells.

Right until the kid is delivered... then you want no welfare assistance, no meal assistance, no free education and no healthcare or housing assistance programs for the kid or the mother.

Bootstraps and what-not.

Soylent Green for the 1% konfab, amirite?

 

[Pegasus]

Oh, *now* you're invoking "fair".

What part of "choice" confounds you?

 

[Emjay]

Right until the kid is delivered... then you want no welfare assistance, no meal assistance, no free education and no healthcare or housing assistance programs for the kid or the mother.

Bootstraps and what-not.

Soylent Green for the 1% konfab, amirite?

Does birth control not feature in your world?

It's always the same with the Left. The answer is always big government programs to solve all the problems.

 

[greg0205]

What part of "choice" confounds you?

Did that sting, Peggie?

Sorry, not sorry.

 

[konfab]

Right until the kid is delivered... then you want no welfare assistance, no meal assistance, no free education and no healthcare or housing assistance programs for the kid or the mother.

You can have all those things. You just can't force other people to pay for them, since you believe in the concept of choice so much.

Maybe they can just ask other people for assistance? Which God-forbid means they actually have to be a decent person towards other people in order to get resources.

Read up how they did things in the past. In the past, people would choose to pay money to their church, the church would then help the needy people in that community. The people who the church would help would have to behave in a certain way to actually get help. You didn't have a right to other people's money.

 

[Pegasus]

Did that sting, Peggie?

Sorry, not sorry.

Leftists only like choice when they get to force their choices onto others.

 

[Emjay]

You can have all those things. You just can't force other people to pay for them, since you believe in the concept of choice so much.

Maybe they can just ask other people for assistance? Which God-forbid means they actually have to be a decent person towards other people in order to get resources.

Greg is also making a huge assumption that all women who have abortions do it because they are unable to support those children...

How naive.

 

[greg0205]

Does birth control not feature in your world?

It's always the same with the Left. The answer is always big government programs to solve all the problems.

Birth control is a... choice.

You get that, right?

Also, let me commend you on your bravery for your proximity to the forced hysterectomy discussion... I was sure you were going to do your best to ignore and avoid it.

 

[Unhappy438]

Did you read this part?


Well there goes the Trump is literally Hitler narrative.


Well there goes the Trump is a white supremacist narrative as well.

Those seem to be your narratives not mine, glad you agree the narrative of mail in votes is bs though.

 

[greg0205]

Greg is also making a huge assumption that all women who have abortions do it because they are unable to support those children...

How naive.

Something, something, words in my mouth, something... There's a poster here who keeps complaining about that but I can't remember who it is right now.

 

[Gnarls]

/snip

So still nothing.

 

[Pegasus]

Birth control is a... choice.

You get that, right?

Also, let me commend you on your bravery for your proximity to the forced hysterectomy discussion... I was sure you were going to do your best to ignore and avoid it.

Maybe make a thread about the 2 operations.

Democrats to Investigate Forced Hysterectomy Claims in Georgia

Leading congressional Democrats reacted furiously to lightly substantiated claims that immigrants held at a detention center in Georgia are undergoing questionable hysterectomies.

www.snopes.com