US Election 2020 - Pt 2

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SoldierMan

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Fear and grievance.

That march was peaceful.

Also, marches *haven't stopped*.

You're not seeing them on teevee - because - they're peaceful... Well, peaceful until police teargas folk playing violins.

Fear and grievance.

That's all you saw.

And it wasn't the marchers.

Hahahahaha :ROFL: On display here folks we have an example of wilful ignorance.
No one was killed, no buildings were burned down, no one was hurt during the past few weeks of protests. Anything said to the contrary is racist. Oh and if they were, well it wasn't the protesters :thumbsup:
 

buka001

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The chap I quoted lives in the USA.
Ok, so how is China going to colonise America?

Especially since China favour a Trump presidency and Trump had placated China and lauded them several times?


 

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Ok, so how is China going to colonise America?

Especially since China favour a Trump presidency and Trump had placated China and lauded them several times?



I'm interested in someone else's opinion. Not yours. Tx.
 

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What is the alternative? Is becoming a Chinese colony your dream?

LOL.

"Chinese colony".

Here's what you're really afraid of:

Democracy Or Autocracy? Democrats May Have The Final Say

One of the biggest developments in politics last week had nothing to do with the coronavirus pandemic, or the collapse of the economy, or protests for racial justice, but it could have a profound impact on the resolution of all three—and on the larger question of whether America will be a democracy or autocracy in the long run. It was a response from Sen. Chris Coons (D-DE), who sits in Joe Biden’s old Senate seat, to a question about what Democrats will do if Republicans remain bent on scorched-earth opposition to Democratic governance.

“I will not stand idly by for four years and watch the Biden administration’s initiatives blocked at every turn,” Coons said. “I am gonna try really hard to find a path forward that doesn’t require removing what’s left of the structural guardrails, but if there’s a Biden administration, it will be inheriting a mess, at home and abroad. It requires urgent and effective action.”

The blocking mechanism at issue is the Senate filibuster rule, which allows the minority to impose a three-fifths supermajority requirement on nearly all legislation. If, optimistically, Democrats enter the new year with control of the presidency, the House, and 53 Senate seats, after winning the election in a landslide, Republicans would still have easy veto power over basically every Biden initiative, whether to suppress epidemic disease, revive the economy, or reform policing. The catch is that Democrats could eliminate this antidemocratic rule, so that a simple majority of senators can pass legislation, with just 50 votes. On the first day of the new Congress, before Biden has even been sworn in, his Senate allies could dramatically expand the horizons of his presidency, giving him (and themselves) the power to govern around Republican obstruction, rather than be confined by it.

There should be no dilemma here, and many Democrats have advocated abolishing or reforming the legislative filibuster for a long time. Coons’s statement is meaningful because he’s a reluctant convert. Senate Democrats are divided over the filibuster question less along lines of political vulnerability (Coons won his last election by over 13 points) than between those who see the world as it is and those who see it as they wish it was. His change of heart, and his explanation for softening, suggest the latter category of Democrats has begun to accept reality: Leaving the filibuster intact won’t generate bipartisan consensus where none exists, but it will make the difference between Biden’s presidency failing, with all the collateral damage that would create, and standing a real chance of success.

The challenge now is to convince these same Democrats that abolishing the filibuster is necessary, but insufficient—it’s a key that will unlock a world of new possibilities, but won’t on its own protect Biden from right-wing sabotage, or rescue America’s endangered democracy. Harvard political scientist Ryan Enos wrote recently that, “When Trump loses in November, America needs to grapple with the fact that it was not our constitutional system, but Trump’s own incompetence that preserved our democracy. We might not be so lucky with the next would-be authoritarian.” This sentiment is widespread in liberal circles, mostly as a prompt for discussing civil service, ethics, campaign-finance, and other reforms that would better insulate the government from authoritarian corruption. These kinds of reforms are important, and may even receive bipartisan support in an environment where the president is a Democrat and Republicans are trying to cleanse the Trump taint from their party. But they are only second-layer protections, tools better suited to protecting the country should another authoritarian come to power than to closing avenues of power to authoritarians in the first place.

The filibuster gone means...

1 DC and PR statehood.
2 An expanded Supreme Court... stacked.
3 Election protections.
4 Vote by mail.
5 Campaign finance reform.

It means a *more* democratic US with a government representative of the majority of Americans.

"Chinese colony".

Laughing my ass off at you.
 

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LOL.

"Chinese colony".

Here's what you're really afraid of:

Democracy Or Autocracy? Democrats May Have The Final Say



The filibuster gone means...

1 DC and PR statehood.
2 An expanded Supreme Court... stacked.
3 Election protections.
4 Vote by mail.
5 Campaign finance reform.

It means a *more* democratic US with a government representative of the majority of Americans.

"Chinese colony".

Laughing my ass off at you.

You get your news from Media matters, so ....
 

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So, the *source* is Bonnie and Clyde.

Yeah those evil evil suburban whities minding their own business hey... what a cheek.

You bleeding heart liberals are absolutely pathetic sometimes in defending the brutes when you think it fits your little narrative. Perhaps one day you will be on the other end of a group of angry people threatening you and yours. Not as much fun then hey.

Police said the man and woman told the marchers to leave because they were on a private street. But people in the crowd yelled obscenities and threats, police said. The man and woman said they saw people who were armed, so they armed themselves and called police, according to authorities.

“This is all private property. There are no public sidewalks or public streets. We were told that we would be killed, our home burned and our dog killed. We were all alone facing an angry mob,” McCloskey said.
 

SoldierMan

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How you see yourself:

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How the world sees you:

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PS. He's *still* getting spent casings in the chest.

He's literally got a picture of that guy as his profile pic, yet you post a pic of Brad Pitt instead. You need glasses or something boet, or an attitude change...
 

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He's literally got a picture of that guy as his profile pic, yet you post a pic of Brad Pitt instead. You need glasses or something boet, or an attitude change...

Oh my god.

How Bonnie and Clyde see themselves and how the world sees them.

Do folk regularly have to explain jokes to you?
 

SoldierMan

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Oh my god.

How Bonnie and Clyde see themselves and how the world sees them.

Do folk regularly have to explain jokes to you?

You were responding to Jabulani and said that is how he sees himself and posted a pic of Brad Pitt.

When Jabulani posted a pic of Mr Average Joe. It is you who are seeing the Average Joe as anything other than that :rolleyes:
Pretty sure he would have rather not been out on his porch with a gun protecting his property from threats to themselves and killing their dog. But I guess that's how you roll, you would fit right in with an EFF and taxi association march, that's how they take care of business. Speaks volumes for your character...
 

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You were responding to Jabulani and said that is how he sees himself and posted a pic of Brad Pitt.

When Jabulani posted a pic of Mr Average Joe. It is you who are seeing the Average Joe as anything other than that :rolleyes:
Pretty sure he would have rather not been out on his porch with a gun protecting his property from threats to themselves and killing their dog. But I guess that's how you roll, you would fit right in with an EFF and taxi association march, that's how they take care of business. Speaks volumes for your character...

So they *do* have to explain jokes to you!
 

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While i dont have all the answers , how about the USA stops funding Israel with billions of dollars and start spending it on failing infrastructure , police training(to stop accidents like G.F.) and other life saving things , this would get Trump elected in a heartbeat.
Worrying about police being defunded while you fund other nations , not right to do Trump.

 

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I can't understand why people whom I usually regard as rational are so eager to defend the lawlessness of these protesters. When I first criticised the St Louis protesters, Greg said that they were neighbours of the gun-wielding couple and that they were marching on a public street. When I pointed out that they were not residents in the community (the streets and pavements of which are not public) and that they had broken down a gate to enter the area, Greg wanted a source. When I posted a credible source (Time) Greg intimated that it was not credible because it was based on the account of the couple. When I posted a link to a picture of the broken down gate, Greg responded that vandalism is merely a misdemeanour (not true - it depends on the cost of the damage) while brandishing a gun is a felony (also not true - depends on the context, for example, self defense). And then OrbitalDawn came along and said that, anyway, there was no evidence that it had been the protesters who broke down the gate (even though video footage from the start of the march shows an intact gate, while photographs from after the march show a gate that had been destroyed). For some reason Greg and OrbitalDawn are absolutely determined to cast these protesters in a positive light, to the point of delusion. It really reminds me of Trump supporters who are absolutely determined to cast Trump in a positive light, to the point of delusion.
 

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I can't understand why people whom I usually regard as rational are so eager to defend the lawlessness of these protesters. When I first criticised the St Louis protesters, Greg said that they were neighbours of the gun-wielding couple and that they were marching on a public street. When I pointed out that they were not residents in the community (the streets and pavements of which are not public) and that they had broken down a gate to enter the area, Greg wanted a source. When I posted a credible source (Time) Greg intimated that it was not credible because it was based on the account of the couple. When I posted a link to a picture of the broken down gate, Greg responded that vandalism is merely a misdemeanour (not true - it depends on the cost of the damage) while brandishing a gun is a felony (also not true - depends on the context, for example, self defense). And then OrbitalDawn came along and said that, anyway, there is no evidence that it had been the protesters who broke down the gate (even though video footage from the start of the march shows an intact gate, while photographs from after the march show a gate that had been destroyed). For some reason Greg and OrbitalDawn are absolutely determined to cast these protesters in a positive light, to the point of delusion. It really reminds me of Trump supporters who are absolutely determined to cast Trump in a positive light, to the point of delusion.
Well spotted , and there are some glaring flaws in the "logic" they used in this instance , that state has laws which allow the use of deadly force to protect lives and property , They ALSO have no duty to retreat laws .
Going on the violence displayed by many BLM mobs , the couple were right to think they were in danger and acted accordingly , good thing the law protects them in their actions).
Also the private/public property shills forget , it is illegal to damage any property and thus these two could have been defending a city bus and still been legally correct.
 
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