US Election 2020 - Pt 2

[greg0205]

Here is some perspective:

Your are entirely allowed to disagree with our philosophy and outlook on the protestors in general.

But does what protestors do make what trump does good? I would put it to you that both can be bad at the same time. You are allowed to be against protestors and against Trump.

Distilling complicated events into false, binary choices is a tactic of extremism. Don't fall into that trap. Don't let Greg or anybody else dictate your own evaluation of reality.

Here is my take:
Is a mayor that doxxes people that disagree with her the most problematic thing in the story? Yes.

Is protestors breaking a gate to protest at the mayor's residence a proportional and appropriate response? Yes. The value of the gate is nothing compared to the harm done by the mayor.

Is waving guns at people who broke a gate an appropriate and proportional response? Not in any civilized universe.

Is Ken and Karen's fear of the protestors justified? No. That only displays their ignorance and prejudices. It says more about them than the protestors.

^ All of this.

 

[Vorastra]

Is waving guns at people who broke a gate an appropriate and proportional response? Not in any civilized universe.

Is Ken and Karen's fear of the protestors justified? No. That only displays their ignorance and prejudices. It says more about them than the protestors.

Holy shet, you people just selectively choose what to remember. Feking lmao.
Remember when BLM protesters have been tearing shet down and breaking shet for weeks?
Maybe that's what Ken and Karen were thinking.

Actual delusion on display. Insane.

 

[lumeer]

Is a mayor that doxxes people that disagree with her the most problematic thing in the story? Yes.

No. Why don't those, who are calling for the police to be defunded, want their names to be known?

Is protestors breaking a gate to protest at the mayor's residence a proportional and appropriate response? Yes. The value of the gate is nothing compared to the harm done by the mayor.

No. The mayor does not even live in the suburb of this couple. May I come to your house and break down your gate as part of a protest that has nothing to do with you, in the interest of what I believe to be a just cause? If you have the courage of your conviction, please share your address so that we may put this claim to the test.

Is waving guns at people who broke a gate an appropriate and proportional response? Not in any civilized universe.

They weren't waving guns at the protesters for having broken the gate, they were waving guns to defend their safety and property.

Is Ken and Karen's fear of the protestors justified? No. That only displays their ignorance and prejudices. It says more about them than the protestors.

Yes. The protesters (which by their admission were 500 strong) had broken down a gate and entered private property. In the context of the recent violent protests in America, with accompanying assault, vandalism, arson, and looting, the couple's fear was well justified.

 

[lumeer]

I'm not denying that the gate got broken but when it happened is a total mystery, there seems to be some evidence that it was open when the protesters walked through and past their house.

Exactly. The gate was intact when the protest started, and broken soon afterwards. The clear explanation, which for some reason folks like you refuse to accept, is that the gate was broken by the protesters. Or are you claiming some sort of conspiracy? Perhaps the couple broke the wrought iron gate when none of the police officers or journalists on scene were looking?

 

[cerebus]

Exactly. The gate was intact when the protest started, and broken soon afterwards. The clear explanation, which for some reason folks like you refuse to accept, is that the gate was broken by the protesters. Or are you claiming some sort of conspiracy? Perhaps the couple broke the wrought iron gate when none of the police officers or journalists on scene were looking?

There's footage of them waving the guns around with the gate intact. Which means they were pointing a semi-automatic rifle at people walking down the road.

 

[greg0205]

No. Why don't those, who are calling for the police to be defunded, want their names to be known?



No. The mayor does not even live in the suburb of this couple. May I come to your house and break down your gate as part of a protest that has nothing to do with you, in the interest of what I believe to be a just cause? If you have the courage of your conviction, please share your address so that we may put this claim to the test.



They weren't waving guns at the protesters for having broken the gate, they were waving guns to defend their safety and property.



Yes. The protesters (which by their admission were 500 strong) had broken down a gate and entered private property. In the context of the recent violent protests in America, with accompanying assault, vandalism, arson, and looting, the couple's fear was well justified.

From the gate, where Bonnie and Clyde live (purple pin), to Mayor Lyda Krewson's home at 502 Lake Avenue (red pin), less than half a mile.

 

[AlmightyBender]

No. Why don't those, who are calling for the police to be defunded, want their names to be known?



No. The mayor does not even live in the suburb of this couple. May I come to your house and break down your gate as part of a protest that has nothing to do with you, in the interest of what I believe to be a just cause? If you have the courage of your conviction, please share your address so that we may put this claim to the test.



They weren't waving guns at the protesters for having broken the gate, they were waving guns to defend their safety and property.



Yes. The protesters (which by their admission were 500 strong) had broken down a gate and entered private property. In the context of the recent violent protests in America, with accompanying assault, vandalism, arson, and looting, the couple's fear was well justified.

Names and addresses buddy. That is doxxing. The consequence of doxxing is very very serious. The mayor deserves far worse in response.

I get the horrible feeling that you value a gate more than human lives.

If you can't tell the difference between a violent mob and a unarmed peaceful protest then you have a lot of growing up and deprogramming to do.

 

[buka001]

Exactly. The gate was intact when the protest started, and broken soon afterwards. The clear explanation, which for some reason folks like you refuse to accept, is that the gate was broken by the protesters. Or are you claiming some sort of conspiracy? Perhaps the couple broke the wrought iron gate when none of the police officers or journalists on scene were looking?

Apart from the gate, what else did they destroy?

 

[OrbitalDawn]

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I also see that Biden will not hold any campaign rallies. On the surface that appears negative for Biden, but given that polling has been drifting away from Trump for a few months now, perhaps it's not.

Biden has never really been a rally candidate - pre-COVID, too. Think about the primaries where Sanders would pull huge crowds, while Biden had small get-together style events. Didn't change the outcome at all. I think rally/drawing power helps people with little name recognition who need to build a profile.

Biden is a known quantity at this point. As is Trump, which is why even if his rallies went ahead they wouldn't do anything. Not much point in yelling for 3 hours at the people who already slavishly follow you.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

It's disgraceful because he is implying that senior citizens in Florida are white supremacists.

Did you read some other tweet or are you just pretending this one says something it doesn't?

"Reality is coming for white supremacists driving golf carts"

He's talking about the white supremacists driving golf carts, not saying senior citizens in Florida are all white supremacists. Basic comprehension, man.

Or did you miss the old white guy in the golf cart yelling "white power"?

And again, any comment on the 2 Republican elected officials responsible for the damage COVID-19 is doing in Florida, or nah? Talk about "disgraceful".

 

[AlmightyBender]

Names and addresses buddy. That is doxxing. The consequence of doxxing is very very serious. The mayor deserves far worse in response.

I get the horrible feeling that you value a gate more than human lives.

If you can't tell the difference between a violent mob and a unarmed peaceful protest then you have a lot of growing up and deprogramming to do.

Adding to this if you want someone to blame, blame the mayor. If she acted like a decent human being... No protest

Same logic for BLM: if the cops valued black lives the same as they value white lives.... No protests.

Life lesson: you reap what you sow
Treat others as you would have them treat you

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Just like the COVID-19 hoax.

Trump claims 'Russian bounty' story is hoax as pressure for answers grows – live updates

US Democrats demand more information on Russian bounty allegation

Russia has denied offering bounty payments to Taliban fighters in Afghanistan to kill US soldiers.

www.aljazeera.com

Kayleigh McEnany Mocked After Insisting Trump Is 'Most Informed Person'

“The president does read and he also consumes intelligence verbally," the White House press secretary insisted.

www.huffpost.com

So the White House confirms he's been briefed and then a couple of hours later he says it's actually all a hoax. Makes you think...

Donnie: I really miss my old pal Roger Ailes at Fox.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1278145024585326593

Fox:

Fox News Fires Anchor Ed Henry Following Sexual Misconduct Probe

Fox News a haven for sex pests? I don't believe it. Lib hoax.

 

[greg0205]

So the White House confirms he's been briefed and then a couple of hours later he says it's actually all a hoax. Makes you think...



Fox News a haven for sex pests? I don't believe it. Lib hoax.

Bill O'Reilly could not be reached for comment.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

I can't believe @lumeer thinks stomping on puppies is fun. Sad thing to hear from someone I thought was rational.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

I can't understand why people whom I usually regard as rational are so eager to defend the lawlessness of these protesters. When I first criticised the St Louis protesters, Greg said that they were neighbours of the gun-wielding couple and that they were marching on a public street. When I pointed out that they were not residents in the community (the streets and pavements of which are not public) and that they had broken down a gate to enter the area, Greg wanted a source. When I posted a credible source (Time) Greg intimated that it was not credible because it was based on the account of the couple. When I posted a link to a picture of the broken down gate, Greg responded that vandalism is merely a misdemeanour (not true - it depends on the cost of the damage) while brandishing a gun is a felony (also not true - depends on the context, for example, self defense). And then OrbitalDawn came along and said that, anyway, there was no evidence that it had been the protesters who broke down the gate (even though video footage from the start of the march shows an intact gate, while photographs from after the march show a gate that had been destroyed). For some reason Greg and OrbitalDawn are absolutely determined to cast these protesters in a positive light, to the point of delusion. It really reminds me of Trump supporters who are absolutely determined to cast Trump in a positive light, to the point of delusion.

The bolded bits are lies. I said there was footage showing the protesters walking through an open, intact gate. And no indication who broke it or when.

I also said if there is evidence of property damage, arrest and prosecute whoever did it.

The fact that you need to lie to jump on your pedestal gives the game away, guy.

 

[greg0205]

Oh

My

God

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1278430418161872909

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Adding to this if you want someone to blame, blame the mayor. If she acted like a decent human being... No protest

Same logic for BLM: if the cops valued black lives the same as they value white lives.... No protests.

Life lesson: you reap what you sow
Treat others as you would have them treat you

 

[OrbitalDawn]

It is also the anniversary of the Battle of Gettysburg currently. I follow several historians who live tweet the events of the battle. Really interesting stuff.

You'll enjoy this, by David W. Blight, who is a GOAT scholar.

Europe in 1989, America in 2020, and the Death of the Lost Cause

A whole vision of history seems to be leaving the stage.

www.newyorker.com

 

[greg0205]

American soldiers’ lives are in danger and Trump has done nothing to stop it.
Add ‘America First’ to the laundry list of scams Trump has sold in his life. It’s clearly Trump first,

Love your work.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

They're nice, just 3.5 years late

Not really. They've had a number of covers of the last couple of years.