US Election 2020 - Pt 2

[greg0205]

SoapMcTavishMan:

Man, you really are a complete waste of time.

Also SoapMcTavishMan:

Yeah those evil evil suburban whities minding their own business hey... what a cheek.

You bleeding heart liberals are absolutely pathetic sometimes in defending the brutes when you think it fits your little narrative. Perhaps one day you will be on the other end of a group of angry people threatening you and yours. Not as much fun then hey.

He's literally got a picture of that guy as his profile pic, yet you post a pic of Brad Pitt instead. You need glasses or something boet, or an attitude change...

Of course you are you frikken muppet. You ain't got no common sense.

You were responding to Jabulani and said that is how he sees himself and posted a pic of Brad Pitt.

When Jabulani posted a pic of Mr Average Joe. It is you who are seeing the Average Joe as anything other than that
Pretty sure he would have rather not been out on his porch with a gun protecting his property from threats to themselves and killing their dog. But I guess that's how you roll, you would fit right in with an EFF and taxi association march, that's how they take care of business. Speaks volumes for your character...

Nah, just not a big fan of loudmouths who condone violence and the threatening of innocent people and their property.

 

[greg0205]

I can't understand why people whom I usually regard as rational are so eager to defend the lawlessness of these protesters. When I first criticised the St Louis protesters, Greg said that they were neighbours of the gun-wielding couple and that they were marching on a public street. When I pointed out that they were not residents in the community (the streets and pavements of which are not public) and that they had broken down a gate to enter the area, Greg wanted a source. When I posted a credible source (Time) Greg intimated that it was not credible because it was based on the account of the couple. When I posted a link to a picture of the broken down gate, Greg responded that vandalism is merely a misdemeanour (not true - it depends on the cost of the damage) while brandishing a gun is a felony (also not true - depends on the context, for example, self defense). And then OrbitalDawn came along and said that, anyway, there was no evidence that it had been the protesters who broke down the gate (even though video footage from the start of the march shows an intact gate, while photographs from after the march show a gate that had been destroyed). For some reason Greg and OrbitalDawn are absolutely determined to cast these protesters in a positive light, to the point of delusion. It really reminds me of Trump supporters who are absolutely determined to cast Trump in a positive light, to the point of delusion.

Here:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1266751520055459847

He's a criminal defence and 1A lawyer and the thread is up to 692 posts.

Spoiler alert: He discusses Bonnie and Clyde too.

Then

Pick a side.

 

[lumeer]

Here:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1266751520055459847

He's a criminal defence and 1A lawyer and the thread is up to 692 posts.

Spoiler alert: He discusses Bonnie and Clyde too.

Then

Pick a side.

No, Greg, do not pick a side, because no side is perfect.

Your profile picture is of a BLM protester, a girl who is probably too young to fully understand what she's protesting about and is there because her parents took her with. You are too invested in this issue to be objective. You *need* these protesters to be good people because that's the side that you've picked and it's become about ideology rather than truth.

 

[SoldierMan]

No, Greg, do not pick a side, because no side is perfect.

Your profile picture is of a BLM protester, a girl who is probably too young to fully understand what she's protesting about and is there because her parents took her with. You are too invested in this issue to be objective. You *need* these protesters to be good people because that's the side that you've picked and it's become about ideology rather than truth.

Well said well said, @greg0205 has indeed become delusional, irrational and entirely fanatic in his attempt to justify the unjustifiable. The more he speaks the deeper he digs.

 

[access]

Thirteen hours to come up with this zinger... in the middle of the night.

Sad.

I imagine you can show me a demonstrable shift in nazi philosophy over the years then.

‘Cos that was my point.

Well. Have at it then...

Happy to wait ‘till the middle of the night tomorrow, or Friday, or the weekend.

13 hours? what? LOL! you think people follow you around as you post? hahahaha. and who put a curfew on forum use? heavy dayz guy.

speaking of guy, when i see your name, i just think its the nazi guy. follow the concept

Depends.
Is the guy an actual Nazi that was a member of the Nazi party in Germany in the 1940's? Was he complicit in the crimes against humanity perpetrated by the Nazis? Then hell no. Off to jail he must go.

Is he an ex Neo-Nazi that found the error of his ways, has disavowed the white supremacy rhetoric and acknowledges that he was wrong and demonstrates acceptance of everyone? Sure, this is good and happens from time to time.

Here is a good example of this -

Christian Picciolini - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

i was teasing.

people being nailed to the wall by lunatics because of they did or say many years ago which is inappropriate today, but this biden guy seems gets the slide..

 

[boramk]

What is the alternative? Is becoming a Chinese colony your dream?

Yea well there’s no point having a discussion with someone who thinks a Biden Presidency is equivalent to becoming a “Chinese colony”.

 

[access]

Yea well there’s no point having a discussion with someone who thinks a Biden Presidency is equivalent to becoming a “Chinese colony”.

isnt that remark more along the lines of the current guy is trying to lesson the independence on china, and exaggerating it

 

[greg0205]

Buh-bye Thomas.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1278378241531805696

 

[greg0205]

isnt that remark more along the lines of the current guy is trying to lesson the independence on china, and exaggerating it

There was no mention of China before Peggie brought it up.

I get the impression that he genuinely thinks anything that isn't Trumpism is communism.

 

[surface]

So confederacy supporters here - why are you guys supporting confederacy ? Does it remind you of good old apartheid flag?

Or is it the free dom of expresso that you are worried about?

The Confederate States of America, also known as the Confederacy, was a group of 11 Southern states that seceded from the Union in 1860. The states, in order of their secession, were South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Texas, Virginia, Arkansas, North Carolina and Tennessee.

These states wanted to preserve the institution of slavery which they largely depended on to build their economies.

In the end, the Confederacy was defeated and slavery was abolished.

 

[cerebus]

I can't understand why people whom I usually regard as rational are so eager to defend the lawlessness of these protesters. When I first criticised the St Louis protesters, Greg said that they were neighbours of the gun-wielding couple and that they were marching on a public street. When I pointed out that they were not residents in the community (the streets and pavements of which are not public) and that they had broken down a gate to enter the area, Greg wanted a source. When I posted a credible source (Time) Greg intimated that it was not credible because it was based on the account of the couple. When I posted a link to a picture of the broken down gate, Greg responded that vandalism is merely a misdemeanour (not true - it depends on the cost of the damage) while brandishing a gun is a felony (also not true - depends on the context, for example, self defense). And then OrbitalDawn came along and said that, anyway, there was no evidence that it had been the protesters who broke down the gate (even though video footage from the start of the march shows an intact gate, while photographs from after the march show a gate that had been destroyed). For some reason Greg and OrbitalDawn are absolutely determined to cast these protesters in a positive light, to the point of delusion. It really reminds me of Trump supporters who are absolutely determined to cast Trump in a positive light, to the point of delusion.

There isn't any proof that the protesters in the video broke down the gate.

Video shows gate was intact when St. Louis couple pointed guns at protesters

Videos and photographs show the couple pacing on their Portland Place property, periodically pointing the weapons at the crowd

www.ksdk.com

The police report said the couple "observed a large group of subjects forcefully break an iron gate marked with 'No Trespassing' and 'Private Street' signs."
However, Shular and Risch said they did not witness a gate being broken.
"It looked like the gate was unlocked," Shular told CNN. "I didn't see anyone try to break it."
In a video livestreamed on Facebook, the left gate door is held open by the first protesters that enter the private street. That video does not show how the door was first opened.
However, a second Facebook Live video taken later shows the right gate door bent and broken on the ground.

I'm not denying that the gate got broken but when it happened is a total mystery, there seems to be some evidence that it was open when the protesters walked through and past their house.

I am not prepared to believe a word the couple has said because they have already hyperbolized it to a ridiculous degree.

A mob of at least 100 smashed through the historic wrought iron gates of Portland Place, destroying them, rushed towards my home where my family was having dinner outside and put us in fear of our lives

And if that isn't good enough check out their lawyer's comments:

My clients, as melanin-deficient human beings, are completely respectful of the message Black Lives Matter needs to get out, especially to whites … (but) two individuals exhibited such force and violence destroying a century-plus old wrought iron gate, ripping and twisting the wrought iron that was connected to a rock foundation, and then proceeded to charge at and toward and speak threateningly to Mr. and Mrs. McCloskey.

 

[Pegasus]

Yea well there’s no point having a discussion with someone who thinks a Biden Presidency is equivalent to becoming a “Chinese colony”.

Well you did answer that question. Tx.

 

[surface]

The St. Louis lawyer who pulled a gun on protestors tells Chris Cuomo ‘my life has been ruined’

Mark McCloskey called the viral incident ‘terrorism,’ claiming protestors threatened to kill his dog and burn down his house

www.marketwatch.com

 

[AlmightyBender]

Germany’s leading newsweekly decries Trump’s incendiary approach | Ad Age

“Should we be worried about the United States?” the influential publication asks.

adage.com

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They're nice, just 3.5 years late

 

[surface]

This is actually a good idea. Pee-gate, is it?

https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/hj8xk3

 

[buka001]

So confederacy supporters here - why are you guys supporting confederacy ? Does it remind you of good old apartheid flag?

Or is it the free dom of expresso that you are worried about?

It is also the anniversary of the Battle of Gettysburg currently. I follow several historians who live tweet the events of the battle. Really interesting stuff.

 

[buka001]

There isn't any proof that the protesters in the video broke down the gate.

Video shows gate was intact when St. Louis couple pointed guns at protesters

Videos and photographs show the couple pacing on their Portland Place property, periodically pointing the weapons at the crowd

www.ksdk.com

I'm not denying that the gate got broken but when it happened is a total mystery, there seems to be some evidence that it was open when the protesters walked through and past their house.

I am not prepared to believe a word the couple has said because they have already hyperbolized it to a ridiculous degree.



And if that isn't good enough check out their lawyer's comments:

That lawyer is the archetype scumbag lawyer. He boasts about pushing a women to suicide on his bio page on his firms homepage.

 

[greg0205]

It is also the anniversary of the Battle of Gettysburg currently. I follow several historians who live tweet the events of the battle. Really interesting stuff.

Make some coffee and click on...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1145655914340454400

EDIT:

Joshua Chamberlain FTW.

 

[buka001]

Make some coffee and click on...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1145655914340454400

EDIT:

Joshua Chamberlain FTW.

I have been a long time follower of Angry Staff Officer.

 

[AlmightyBender]

I can't understand why people whom I usually regard as rational are so eager to defend the lawlessness of these protesters. When I first criticised the St Louis protesters, Greg said that they were neighbours of the gun-wielding couple and that they were marching on a public street. When I pointed out that they were not residents in the community (the streets and pavements of which are not public) and that they had broken down a gate to enter the area, Greg wanted a source. When I posted a credible source (Time) Greg intimated that it was not credible because it was based on the account of the couple. When I posted a link to a picture of the broken down gate, Greg responded that vandalism is merely a misdemeanour (not true - it depends on the cost of the damage) while brandishing a gun is a felony (also not true - depends on the context, for example, self defense). And then OrbitalDawn came along and said that, anyway, there was no evidence that it had been the protesters who broke down the gate (even though video footage from the start of the march shows an intact gate, while photographs from after the march show a gate that had been destroyed). For some reason Greg and OrbitalDawn are absolutely determined to cast these protesters in a positive light, to the point of delusion. It really reminds me of Trump supporters who are absolutely determined to cast Trump in a positive light, to the point of delusion.

Here is some perspective:

Your are entirely allowed to disagree with our philosophy and outlook on the protestors in general.

But does what protestors do make what trump does good? I would put it to you that both can be bad at the same time. You are allowed to be against protestors and against Trump.

Distilling complicated events into false, binary choices is a tactic of extremism. Don't fall into that trap. Don't let Greg or anybody else dictate your own evaluation of reality.

Here is my take:
Is a mayor that doxxes people that disagree with her the most problematic thing in the story? Yes.

Is protestors breaking a gate to protest at the mayor's residence a proportional and appropriate response? Yes. The value of the gate is nothing compared to the harm done by the mayor.

Is waving guns at people who broke a gate an appropriate and proportional response? Not in any civilized universe.

Is Ken and Karen's fear of the protestors justified? No. That only displays their ignorance and prejudices. It says more about them than the protestors.