US politics general thread

[cerebus]

They were diametric because in Clinton's case there was actually evidence of misconduct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy#FBI_investigation

Really? So why haven't they locked her up yet? Is it all through the clemency of Trump the merciful?

 

[cerebus]

We're not the ones deluded here though. You are reading something, quoting something and then say something else...

Your feelings might be a bit hurt, but seriously, you have to somewhere have realized you're talking utter rubbish

I didn't say my feelings were hurt, I'm a grownup. But I know what I said, and I debated in very good faith, and what else can I say on that subject where the response won't be completely predictable?

 

[Pitbull]

I didn't say my feelings were hurt, I'm a grownup. But I know what I said, and I debated in very good faith, and what else can I say on that subject where the response won't be completely predictable?

All you have to do is admit you were wrong. I know you realized it somewhere in this discussion. But you have kept on Libtarding just for the sake of it. You have been dishonest and frankly outright deceitful. I know you're smarter than that. I think you realized you're wrong but instead of admitting it, rather went for the option of looking stupid instead. And that is fine. But don't lie...

 

[cerebus]

All you have to do is admit you were wrong. I know you realized it somewhere in this discussion. But you have kept on Libtarding just for the sake of it. You have been dishonest and frankly outright deceitful. I know you're smarter than that. I think you realized you're wrong but instead of admitting it, rather went for the option of looking stupid instead. And that is fine. But don't lie...

I'm not wrong, I stand 100% by what I said. Trump was advocating for the abolition of due process for immigrants. It's as clear as day, and you just repeating the mantra that I'm wrong doesn't mean a goddam thing.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Really? So why haven't they locked her up yet? Is it all through the clemency of Trump the merciful?

The corrupt James Comey edited the words "grossly negligent" (which is a crime) out of his final draft and recommended that the even more corrupt Loretta Lynch don't proceed with prosecution despite having the evidence.

Seeing as she was already bought and paid for and had a fresh reminder from Bill Clinton in a private conversation she was looking for the first excuse she could find to avoid prosecuting Hillary, so that's why.

None of which changes the fact that there was solid evidence in that case and none in the Kavanaugh case.

 

[cerebus]

The corrupt James Comey edited the words "grossly negligent" (which is a crime) out of his final draft and recommended that the even more corrupt Loretta Lynch don't proceed with prosecution despite having the evidence.

Seeing as she was already bought and paid for and had a fresh reminder from Bill Clinton in a private conversation she was looking for the first excuse she could find to avoid prosecuting Hillary, so that's why.

None of which changes the fact that there was solid evidence in that case and none in the Kavanaugh case.

So.... why isn't she in jail yet? Campaign promises y'all...

Oh except there's this...

 

[Temujin]

No i dont have to find a quote where he says it, i only have to find examples where he pushes it, which has been done multiple times for you.

Where? Lets break down the examples you guys have posted so far... same questions I've asked multiple times

'89.
- current affairs at the time was the raping and beating of woman, 5 guys arrested and admitted guilt, whole world knew they were guilty as they said they were... took an ad calling for re-introduction of death penatly and more policing as cities a haven for criminals, later they withdrew their admissions of guilt. What has this got to do with 'due process for some, lock them up for others', 'pushing' it?

"The problem with our society is the victim has absolutely no rights and the criminal has unbelievable rights — unbelievable rights,"
- same questions, how is this no due process? what has it got to do with 'pushing' it?

He said 'hillary must go to jail'.
- How is this an example of 'due process for some, lock them up for others'? Where has he said due process or the law must be ignored? How is he 'pushing it?

Crowd chanted 'lock her up'.
- What has that got to do with him 'pushing' anything?

He was 'aware of the crowd chanting'.
- And? again, what has it got to do with him, no due process etc?

Take the guns first, process later.
- Agreed that this is no process, nothing to do with locking people up without due process.(which as said previously is ammusing... thats exactly what the liberals want, but cos trump said it, suddenly its but 'gun owners rights')

Immigration.
- covered this at length over last few pages. Legal immigrates get due process, illegal get stopped and told they can't enter illegally, ie, get in legally and with due process. What has this got to do with 'pushing' anything and locking people up without due process?

Kavawhatever investigation a shame, he curtailed due process.
- Trump: FBI has free rein. Only people calling for no due process on this is the dems

Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag - if they do, there must be consequences - perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail!
- I keep asking this repeatedly... where is the 'without due process'? where does he say laws must not be followed?

Hillary Clinton should have been prosecuted and should be in jail
- As above... what has this got to do with 'no due process'?

"Jail"
- again same as above?

As I'm been repeating for pages, post after post, what has anything posted got to do with the imaginary trumps promoting 'due process for some, lock them up for others'



Anything I missed?

Edit: Your guys 'evidence' on 'pushing' it is basically, he said 'jail', therefore it automatically implies he says without following the laws and no due process. And you keep arguing the same thing as 'examples'. None of it implies or states anything re 'no due process'

Edit 2: Just to be clear, making this simple, I read 'hillary must go to jail'. You guys read 'hillary must go to jail without due process'. Where are you getting the trailing 3 words from?

 

[konfab]

Really? So why haven't they locked her up yet? Is it all through the clemency of Trump the merciful?

The point was Trump had evidence to back up his statements with regards to HRC.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

I'm not wrong, I stand 100% by what I said. Trump was advocating for the abolition of due process for immigrants. It's as clear as day, and you just repeating the mantra that I'm wrong doesn't mean a goddam thing.

phew, none so blind as those who refuse to see ...

Trump said, clear as day, he would rather have more border patrol staff than more judges.

The does not mean get rid of the current judges or the current due process, it means protect the damn border as the government is meant to do. Nothing wrong with a border agent determining that an illegal has no reasonable prospects for success and therefor not waste time and money in putting them through the legal system. That is actually part of due process and they are given that power by law, law that's been in place since long before Trump ...

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

So.... why isn't she in jail yet? Campaign promises y'all...

Perhaps it was just a typical campaign promise politicians make, perhaps the pieces that need to be in play to actually lock her up are still being positioned ... rumour has it there's a new supreme court justice in town ...

Not that it matters, there's evidence against HRC there is no evidence against Kavanaugh.

 

[cerebus]

The point was Trump had evidence to back up his statements with regards to HRC.

And that gives him the right to make a declaration of her guilt onstage? If she truly was guilty, she should have at least gone to trial by now.

In this realm, you are truly guilty until proven innocent, that’s one of the very, very bad things that is taking place right now,” Trump said. “It’s a very scary time for young men in America, when you can be guilty of something that you may not be guilty of.

phew, none so blind as those who refuse to see ...

Trump said, clear as day, he would rather have more border patrol staff than more judges.

The does not mean get rid of the current judges or the current due process, it means protect the damn border as the government is meant to do. Nothing wrong with a border agent determining that an illegal has no reasonable prospects for success and therefor not waste time and money in putting them through the legal system. That is actually part of due process and they are given that power by law, law that's been in place since long before Trump ...

Yeah no, but I'm not going down that rabbit hole again.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

And that gives him the right to make a declaration of her guilt onstage? If she truly was guilty, she should have at least gone to trial by now.

Right or no, he was correct nonetheless. She should certainly have gone to trial, go chat to Obama about how his cesspool of a corrupt lot made that deliberately impossible.

Yeah no, but I'm not going down that rabbit hole again.

That's for the best, rabbit holes are hard enough to navigate without being blindfolded, you'd break your damn neck in record time

 

[konfab]

And that gives him the right to make a declaration of her guilt onstage? If she truly was guilty, she should have at least gone to trial by now.

It gives him more right than the Democrat party who were calling BK a gang rapist.

 

[cerebus]

It gives him more right than the Democrat party who were calling BK a gang rapist.

If the FBI had been able to investigate those claims, we might have gotten somewhere.

...about how his cesspool of a corrupt lot made that deliberately impossible.

Exactly

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

If the FBI had been able to investigate those claims, we might have gotten somewhere.

They did

Exactly

Glad we can agree on Obama ...

 

[konfab]

If the FBI had been able to investigate those claims, we might have gotten somewhere.

Other than the fact that they clearly do not make logical sense unless if the accuser is mentally ill or actually enjoys the gang rapes.

During the years 1981-1982, I became aware of efforts by Mark Judge, Brett Kavanaugh and others to “spike” the “punch” at house parties I attended with drugs and/or grain alcohol so as to cause girls to lose their inhibitions and their ability to say “No.” This caused me to make an effort to purposefully avoid the “punch” at these parties. I witnessed efforts by Mark Judge, Brett Kavanaugh, and others to “Target” particular girls so they could be taken advantage of; it was usually a girl that was especially vulnerable because she was alone at the party or shy.

https://qz.com/1402910/kavanaugh-ac...e-swetnick-in-new-sexual-assault-allegations/

Under the reasonable assumption that girls don't want to be gang raped, why would you go to a party where you know it happens? Why would you not report this to the police.

You would have an easier time with this if you used a different example. HRC was caught doing something wrong.

 

[cerebus]

They did

No they didn't.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ett-kavanaugh-julie-swetnick-kellyanne-conway

 

[Jola]

... there is no evidence against Kavanaugh.

Only because the FBI did not investigate the evidence.

I smell an impeachment coming, maybe two.

Anyway, IMO it is completely immoral that voting on an issue like this takes place on party lines. Just tells you that US politicians have zero integrity.

 

[Pitbull]

I see Cerebus succeeded in moving on swiftly as he has been found being deceitful and dishonest. He's happy he can now talk about something else.

Them libards be libtarding

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

No they didn't.

They did, and as the deluded lefties so "eloquently" put it: the professional, non-partisan FBI investigated as THEY see fit. Whether you like the end result or not has no bearing on any damn thing, it's over and it was due process, suck it.

I smell an impeachment coming, maybe two.

Might want to get your nose checked, a 2 thirds majority is nowhere on the horizon, meaning an impeachment is also nowhere on the horizon.

US politicians have zero integrity.

Amen, and ftfy