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I see how the numbers change

Of 232 electors pledged to vote for Hillary Clinton
227 voted for her

Of 306 electors pledged to vote for Donald J. Trump
304 voted for him
 
I love it when people continuously bring up election margins. Trump truly lives rent free in the heads of people.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
My pleasure, now reflect on the fact that a "swing" of 30 votes would have the margin be identical between 2012 and 2016.
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Bwahaha, yes i would also try and ignore the rest of my post if i were you. Its embarrassing to know you have a Zumatello maths degree.

Garson007 said:
I love it when people continuously bring up election margins. Trump truly lives rent free in the heads of people.
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'Continuously', thanks Mac. Did you attend Zumatello English classes?
 
Unhappy438 said:
I know you are but what am i, is preschool level.
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And what level is it when you stick your fingers in your ears and scream "I can't hear you, na, na, na, na, na!"?

That's precisely what you're doing if the mere presence of the word "landslide" in the source linked in post #14 makes you disregard it entirely.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
TIL the difference between acceptable used of the word landslide and "REEEEEEEEEE, stop reading this fake news!" is 30 votes ... :rolleyes:
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So what is the difference in the actual margins?

Trump margin : 304-227 = 77
Obama margin : 332-206= 126

Difference: 126-77 = 49
Obama's margin was 63% better than Trumps. Virtually identical indeed.
And we're not even getting into the popular vote discussion

In other news, Trump had the biggest inaugural crowd ever.
 
Hamish McPanji said:
So what is the difference in the actual margins?
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Already covered in previous posts, now reflect on the fact that had Obama lost only 30 votes, they would all have gone to Romney and the result would be identical to Trump's.

No difference whatsoever = identical
30 votes (of a total max of 538) need to change to make it identical = virtually identical

Hamish McPanji said:
And we're not even getting into the popular vote discussion
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Why would you? The source that was so summarily rejected specifically said: "electoral landslide"
 
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NarrowBandFtw said:
Why would you? The source that was so summarily rejected specifically said: "electoral landslide"
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Which is why we are not getting into it

If my maths was wrong, please apply corrections. I heard a 30 somewhere or the other. Am not seeing it
 
Unhappy438 said:
Glad you can at least admit it. If its not embarrassing stop running from it.



I know you are but what am i, is preschool level.
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They make it so easy. Surely dropping the subject might have been a better option
 
Hamish McPanji said:
If my maths was wrong, please apply corrections. I heard a 30 somewhere or the other. Am not seeing it
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The margin isn't the number that needs to change to make the result the same, only half of the margin needs to swing the other way to wipe out the entire margin.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
The margin isn't the number that needs to change to make the result the same, only half of the margin needs to swing the other way to wipe out the entire margin.
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Except, you know, they're the actual numbers... and theoretical swings are just that. Theoretical. You're counterpoint is akin to positing that if Hillary got more electoral votes she'd be POTUS. Neither makes for a good position in the argument.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
The margin isn't the number that needs to change to make the result the same, only half of the margin needs to swing the other way to wipe out the entire margin.
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So, out of 304+227 = 531 electoral votes

Trump got 304/531 = 57.3% (positively massaged)
Hillary got 227/531 =42.7% (negatively massaged)

So the difference is 14.6%. which isn't massive, really. But it gets worse!!! We have to half that figure, as we need to use half the margin.

So, 7.3% ? A landslide? Really?
 
Hamish McPanji said:
Trump got 304/531 = 57.3% (positively massaged)
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Bigger portion of the electoral vote than any of these guys:
John F. Kennedy (1960), Richard Nixon (1968), Jimmy Carter (1976), George W. Bush (2004)
Thomas Jefferson (1800), Woodrow Wilson (1916) etc

More importantly, would you discard an information source entirely, purely because it mentions Trump's victory as an electoral landslide?
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
More importantly, would you discard an information source entirely, purely because it mentions Trump's victory as an electoral landslide?
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You dismiss information sources for exhibiting far less bias than that statement. It puts the news source firmly in the propaganda camp.
 
Unhappy438 said:
'Continuously', thanks Mac. Did you attend Zumatello English classes?
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We're on page six and half the pages are filled with people reacting to the bait. This after more than a year. I stand by my statement.

The electoral margin is both inconsequential and immaterial to reality.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
Bigger portion of the electoral vote than any of these guys:
John F. Kennedy (1960), Richard Nixon (1968), Jimmy Carter (1976), George W. Bush (2004)
Thomas Jefferson (1800), Woodrow Wilson (1916) etc

More importantly, would you discard an information source entirely, purely because it mentions Trump's victory as an electoral landslide?
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Yes, I mentioned Bush and Carter already. I will counter with the opposite:

Obama (2012)
Obama (2008)
Clinton (1996)
Clinton (1992)
HW Bush (1988)
Reagan (1984)
Reagan (1980)
Nixon (1972)
Johnson (1964)
Eisenhower (1956)
Eisenhower (1952)

I didn't even have to resort to the world war and civil war eras.

Landslide, you said?
 
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