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US protests/riots 2020
Mephisto_Helix
Resident Postwhore
Didn't look like a kid and ffs, they're all shouting she's just a kid but they were willingly standing watching her knife another kid ..... jfc
Promoter of peace
konfab
Honorary Master
People in SA prisons do not have it easier than most South Africans.
https://www.saferspaces.org.za/unde...-south-africa-context-prevention-and-response
And prison sentences, regardless of the crime, should not be seen as a punishment. It is there to make sure that the perpetrators of crime are not a risk to society at large.
Moosedrool
Honorary Master
I’m not referring to South-African Prisons.
Yes and no. Should Zuma serve jail time or will you be happy if we simply let him live in dubai?
Mephisto_Helix
Resident Postwhore
Regardless of crime should not be seen as punishment ..... wtaf. It should be both, punish the bastards AND keep them away from society, very preferably suffering
konfab
Honorary Master
He needs to go to prison for theft.
The Voice
Honorary Master
Agreed. But most people don't understand what a prison sentence means. It's not just being removed from society and then having a comfortable life for a few years. Depending on which prison you go to, you're probably going to be someone's bitch - and that's if you "agree" to it. If you don't, they'll just rape you anyway. Oh, and you probably WILL have to join some type of prison gang - just to make sure you make it to the end of your sentence alive. Thing is, there's no distinction in there between someone who's there for murder and someone who got nicked for swindling some investors' funds. Their sentences may be different, but their "punishment" is the same. And there's something very wrong with that.
Unless of course you go to a federal prison or something. Or are lucky enough to have been born in Norway.
Moosedrool
Honorary Master
konfab
Honorary Master
He is a risk to society at large if he isn't in prison. He can go and spend his ill gotten gains in South Africa and continue to corrupt the country.
He cannot do that in prison.
Moosedrool
Honorary Master
Nahh bull that's not what you want him locked up for. I still believe in a form of punishment. It's a deterrent. South-Africa's poorest would love being criminals in Norway by the looks of things. 21 years of a fairly decent life and coming back with skills a house and everything.
konfab
Honorary Master
Purposely inflicting suffering for the sake of it on any living thing is wrong. Especially if it is institutionalised.
Putting them in prison, and keeping them away from society is all that you need. Prisons shouldn't be a bloody holiday in like they are in Norway.
konfab
Honorary Master
Factually and logically incorrect.
If people wanted to go to prison, they would commit a crime, then report themselves to the police, then plead guilty to whatever the prosecution wants.
Punishment as a deterrent only works if you actually think you are going to get caught. That isn't the case in South Africa.
If you put yourself in the shoes of the person who actually has to implement the punishment, could you really do it? Like watching someone suffer because of your actions? I know I would break very quickly.
Moosedrool
Honorary Master
I won't because our prisons aren't holiday ins. The only logically incorrect thing to do is to use taxpayer money to supply better lives to murderers, paedophiles, rapists and thieves with better lives than hard working labourers.
Prison time is a deterrent. Not because it's fun.
You're talking to a person who wholeheartedly believe the reason why young adults respond so negatively to not getting what they want has it's roots in the lack of corporal punishment.
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Florida's new 'anti-riot' law is unconstitutional, lawsuit claims
Florida's new 'anti-riot' law is unconstitutional, lawsuit claims
A federal lawsuit filed Wednesday claims Florida's new "anti-riot" law violates several provisions of the U.S. Constitution, according to reports.
www.foxnews.com
These people are hell-bent on destroying America and envoking a civil war. They want no laws or repercussions for their actions. They want to loot and destroy and people are getting fed up.
Moosedrool
Honorary Master
Florida's new 'anti-riot' law is unconstitutional, lawsuit claims
Florida's new 'anti-riot' law is unconstitutional, lawsuit claims
A federal lawsuit filed Wednesday claims Florida's new "anti-riot" law violates several provisions of the U.S. Constitution, according to reports.
These people are hell-bent on destroying America and envoking a civil war. They want no laws or repercussions for their actions. They want to loot and destroy and people are getting fed up.
DeSantis signs Florida's 'anti-riot' bill into law
Gov. Ron DeSantis on Monday signed into law Florida’s "anti-riot" bill, which increases penalties for crimes committed during a riot and is aimed at "combating public disorder."
www.foxnews.com
Holy Shyte.
konfab
Honorary Master
You complain that society is violent. Yet you want young people to learn an ethic that teaches that violence is moral when dished out by an authority figure?
Moosedrool
Honorary Master
You complain that society is violent. Yet you want young people to learn an ethic that teaches that violence is moral when dished out by an authority figure?
And you want to treat murderers, paedophiles, rapists and thieves better than society treats law abiding citizens.
konfab
Honorary Master
The part of driving through protesters is a fine piece of disinformation.
DeSantis signs Florida's 'anti-riot' bill into law
Gov. Ron DeSantis on Monday signed into law Florida’s "anti-riot" bill, which increases penalties for crimes committed during a riot and is aimed at "combating public disorder."
Holy Shyte.
The bill states that if you are convicted of being a part of a riot (which means you are part of a group that is hurting people, damaging property or doing things that will cause those things, like throwing a stone of peace into a highway), your options for legal defence if you are attacked are reduced.
So if some peaceful group of BLM rioters are throwing stones at your car, and you run one of them over to get away, they don't have a civil claim against you for your actions if they are convicted of rioting.
If you just drive into a group of people holding up signs, they would have full civil protections because they are not damaging other people's property.
Mephisto_Helix
Resident Postwhore
I'll advocate for the prison fitting the crime all day. My vitriol and hatred is aimed squarely at those deserving of the worst. Anyone non violent or in for petty crime should be in a safe environment to live out their sentence, I agree with you