Wandavision

I'm glad I stuck this out after the first two episodes.

I found the ending to be...serviceable. The mid- and post-credits scenes rounded it out nicely though.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
The showrunners threw an oddball with how they set up Agatha, and I am glad they did it. Another good pick up by FT, and I believe he may be 100% right with this one,


Now I have to ask whether Disney will push the Mystic Arcana series into the MCU.

As seen it being previously a notion in this thread, there aren't really 'comic book' villains in this series.

I still think that the Mephisto angle is overreaching in terms with Disney, but yes, Wanda did draw attention to something in the Multiverse which will require the Sorcerer Supreme to intervene which is a scenario I assume will bridge the MCU, and the movie is known. I still believe that Wanda sourced the Multiverse to create, but don't understand how she did it which will be the door to welcome 'Fox'.
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Well, the MCU went through a lot of movies teasing Thanos before he finally took centre stage and I reckon the next phase(s) will do the same. We'll get a handful of standalone antagonists but it will lead up to a supervillain.
 
thestaggy said:
Well, the MCU went through a lot of movies teasing Thanos before he finally took centre stage and I reckon the next phase(s) will do the same. We'll get a handful of standalone antagonists but it will lead up to a supervillain.
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Chthon

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thestaggy said:
Yep, the Chthon theory came on strong in the last two episodes.

The Nightmare theory is another one.
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Here is how I have it, Wanda’s chaos magic attracted Nightmare who will be pulling her strings. First entry into the Multiverse. Wanda is going to turn sub-villain which will call on the Sorcerer Supreme where Nightmare will be unveiled as the villain which will lead to Chtlon.

I am in the opinion that Disney may avoid Mephisto simply because… however, there are many other villains in this demon league. Shuma-Gorath is another chaos demon, which is a galaxy destroyer, which may spur on Captain Marvel to come to the rescue. Blackheart who corrupts superhero souls…

When it comes to Wanda, she is much stronger than Strange, but she is only adept at Chaos magic where Strange is adept at all magic and martial arts , a true wizard (or sorcerer) supreme.

Anyway, since all these phases empathises technology and magic, true Steampunk style, Dr Doom in my opinion will be the natural big bad. Fox messed him up, Marvel will have to redeem and there is comic back story between Doom and Wanda.

The Wandavision series. Agatha isn't a cut-out comic book villain. SWORD isn't a comic book corrupt entity, but them being SHIELD and SHIELD being corrupt in the MCU, well... Agatha did try to contain Wanda's chaos, more like an anti-villain in the series, and I am sure she will be back as an antihero.

All speculation.
 
@thestaggy

I don't want to speculate too much, but my assumption is that a demon intrusion is going to lead to the Future Foundation ;)

Not going to say any more on this. It is best to sit back and watch.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
Here is how I have it, Wanda’s chaos magic attracted Nightmare who will be pulling her strings. First entry into the Multiverse. Wanda is going to turn sub-villain which will call on the Sorcerer Supreme where Nightmare will be unveiled as the villain which will lead to Chtlon.

I am in the opinion that Disney may avoid Mephisto simply because… however, there are many other villains in this demon league. Shuma-Gorath is another chaos demon, which is a galaxy destroyer, which may spur on Captain Marvel to come to the rescue. Blackheart who corrupts superhero souls…

When it comes to Wanda, she is much stronger than Strange, but she is only adept at Chaos magic where Strange is adept at all magic and martial arts , a true wizard (or sorcerer) supreme.

Anyway, since all these phases empathises technology and magic, true Steampunk style, Dr Doom in my opinion will be the natural big bad. Fox messed him up, Marvel will have to redeem and there is comic back story between Doom and Wanda.

The Wandavision series. Agatha isn't a cut-out comic book villain. SWORD isn't a comic book corrupt entity, but them being SHIELD and SHIELD being corrupt in the MCU, well... Agatha did try to contain Wanda's chaos, more like an anti-villain in the series, and I am sure she will be back as an antihero.

All speculation.
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Would you get Nightmare as the lead up to something ''bigger'' (Chthlon)? Both are supervillains. Then again Dormammu was one-and-done against Strange and he is no joke.

On Mephisto, I get the impression that Feige and co are very in touch with the fanbase (Wanda's accent is a great example of this, something the fans ripped and the MCU ended up turning in to an inside joke) and Mephisto is just too obvious because he was everyone's (mine included) theory for the big-bad in WandaVision.

Interesting thing about Chaos Magic, it is beyond the abilities and indeed understanding of humans, including Stephen Strange and the Sorcerer Supremes before him. Wanda is no mere human. In Avengers Disassembled, Strange even tells the Avengers that Chaos Magic doesn't exist, only claiming that ''The Magics are being abused'' and the person responsible for that was the Scarlett Witch.

The real advantage Strange has over Wanda is that he is composed and thinks things out where Wanda is driven on emotion. Strange will even take a short-term loss to play the long game, see how he locked himself in a time loop with Dormammu (which could've lasted for an enternity) and he gave the Time Stone to Thanos. Although to Wanda's credit, in her final fight with Agatha she showed that she is learning and can think ahead by using runes. If it comes to a confrontation between the two, Strange will have his hands full.

Dr Doom is interesting, he could be another.

Agatha is like Loki in my eyes, antihero vibes for me. I am certain she will be back.
 
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thestaggy said:
Would you get Nightmare as the lead up to something ''bigger'' (Chthlon)? Both are supervillains.
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They are clearly setting up demons. Chthlon is occupying the chaotic space as an elder god and archdemon. He holds the chaos realm and authored the Darkhold, but I don't see him act on his own. Nightmare, with his known abilities, could be an accomplice or in a possible alliance to abuse in order to manipulate Chtlon as his abilities does work on elder gods. Anything is possible, but I doubt there is one demon at play here, could be a league, or they could compete. All I know is, the demons need Wanda as a gateway or, so I assume going by Agatha’s warning. The Darkhold spells out Chthlon, but he is too big a supervillian to conclude in one movie.

Wandavision already threw me a bit as I suspected Agatha, but got her role wrong.

Like I said, I am going to sit back and see what Disney have planned. What I do speculate and believe is that the demons plot is going to intertwine the multiverse and the later Fox 'identities' will break through into the MCU.
 
Also, credit to them for the ''Bohner joke''.

Everybody hyped over the X-Men Quicksilver (myself included) and why her brother looks different and all the theories and it ends up as a boner joke.

It is why I say Feige and co are on to the fanbase. So you are spot on @Fulcrum29, we can speculate all we want but probably best to to just sit and enjoy the ride.
 
thestaggy said:
Also, credit to them for the ''Bohner joke''.

Everybody hyped over the X-Men Quicksilver (myself included) and why her brother looks different and all the theories and it ends up as a boner joke.

It is why I say Feige and co are on to the fanbase. So you are spot on @Fulcrum29, we can speculate all we want but probably best to to just sit and enjoy the ride.
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Since Robbie Reyes returned to hell we may even see Ghost Rider return.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
Here is how I have it, Wanda’s chaos magic attracted Nightmare who will be pulling her strings. First entry into the Multiverse. Wanda is going to turn sub-villain which will call on the Sorcerer Supreme where Nightmare will be unveiled as the villain which will lead to Chtlon.

I am in the opinion that Disney may avoid Mephisto simply because… however, there are many other villains in this demon league. Shuma-Gorath is another chaos demon, which is a galaxy destroyer, which may spur on Captain Marvel to come to the rescue. Blackheart who corrupts superhero souls…

When it comes to Wanda, she is much stronger than Strange, but she is only adept at Chaos magic where Strange is adept at all magic and martial arts , a true wizard (or sorcerer) supreme.

Anyway, since all these phases empathises technology and magic, true Steampunk style, Dr Doom in my opinion will be the natural big bad. Fox messed him up, Marvel will have to redeem and there is comic back story between Doom and Wanda.

The Wandavision series. Agatha isn't a cut-out comic book villain. SWORD isn't a comic book corrupt entity, but them being SHIELD and SHIELD being corrupt in the MCU, well... Agatha did try to contain Wanda's chaos, more like an anti-villain in the series, and I am sure she will be back as an antihero.

All speculation.
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Blackheart was in the second Ghost Rider comic...they screwed up that whole character.
 
Worst part of the series was that Rambo character. Almost identical to the Star Trek Discovery Michael character. Super intelligent, moral and strong. Just felt out of place.
 
JohnStarr said:
Blackheart was in the second Ghost Rider comic...they screwed up that whole character.
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For Blackheart to exist in the MCU then Disney will need to recognise the devil in their IP. Blackheart is Mephisto's son. Hell does exist in the MCU, but do they have the balls to expose their audience to ol' Beelzebub?

There is also Lucifer... speaking of the demon.

I kinda like the route on which Disney is on now, much potential.
 
skimread said:
Worst part of the series was that Rambo character. Almost identical to the Star Trek Discovery Michael character. Super intelligent, moral and strong. Just felt out of place.
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Well, she is going to Photon into your Marvel dose.
 
Grace Randolph is a former writer for both DC and Marvel if anyone is interested in her analysis of the post-scene credits,


 
Well, I can tell you one thing - I am glad that the Fantastic Four ended up not featuring here and ruining this like they enjoy doing to everything else they feature in onscreen. The finale did a pretty mediocre enough job of ruining it by itself.

Also - Darcy - how did one of the two broke girls and a throwaway character from Thor end up with a qualification and a role in Wandavision?

Who the hell is Cliff? I thought Hawkeye before realising he is Clint.

Will white power Vision be Vision now in future?
 
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