We are at war!

Friendly reminder to please attack issues and not people. For example, rather call a statement or idea racist instead of a person. This allows for debate on the merrit of the statement and avoids getting personal. Personal attacks will be removed. I also urge forumites to report such posts.
 
halicon said:
always shoot twice or three times.
first shoot and kill the intruder...
wait +/- 20 seconds... shoot again... explain to the police you fired a warning shot but the intruder still seemed to be determined to kill you. thats when you shot him. witness who heard the shots will confirm your take.
make sure the intruder is dead before calling the police or else you could get arrested for murder.
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err actually no.... via ballistics they can determine which shot came out first from the gun. And that trick where you throw down a plastic pistol also won't work. Just assume that ballistic forensics are so good that it is as if they filmed the whole thing on camera. And if you do shoot somebody let your lawyer make a statement - you just keep your mouth shut.

And the police are beginning to ask people who shot intruders in their house wheter the owner:"Had a witness to confirm
your story that your life was in danger". So if your wife could back-up your story that you had to shoot the person it
will be more convincing than just your word alone.

And the roofs should not be tiles but zinkplate, it's more difficult to get through it.
 
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antowan said:
Friendly reminder to please attack issues and not people. For example, rather call a statement or idea racist instead of a person. This allows for debate on the merrit of the statement and avoids getting personal. Personal attacks will be removed. I also urge forumites to report such posts.
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Agreed but some forumites will do well to remember that there are non-whites on this forum as well and saying things that we have a genetic predosition to steal because of our genes is frankly rather racist.

Pupa crossed the line here so why are you censoring me and not him ???.

While it might not seem to be a big deal to you as a whitey it certainly matters to me.

So let me know whether this forum caters for all of us or only for some of us.
 
Good afternoon Tibbs and other forumites.

I think the point you have going here probably deserves a thread all on its own - rather than hijacking this one.

Is there any link between genetics and culture? Bearing in mind this is likely to be a rehash of the 'product of the environment' versus genetics debate.
 
antowan said:
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For example, rather call a statement or idea racist instead of a person.
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No Ant, a racist makes such statements or ideas are borne out of racists. You can't seperate the two!
 
mccrack said:
What a suprise another news related article turned racist .....

wow
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yeah who'd've thought! :p

It is almost impossible to have a decent discussion these days about anything without it turning into a racist argument Not cool. :(
 
stepper said:
No Ant, a racist makes such statements or ideas are borne out of racists. You can't seperate the two!
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So context doesn't play a role? How often is it okay for African Americans to use the 'N' word, but let a KKK member try the same? If the 'N' word is racist, and racist statements come from racists, then the African American is a racist.

Not sure what you say is always true.
 
There is one problem with shooting them, if they are not armed with a similar or deadlier weapon and you kill someone it's not self-defense but cold blooded murder in our lovely country. Oh and if they are carrying a gun don't shoot them in the back even if he is running toward your daughter or wife to rape/assault/murder them because that won't be self-defense because he wasn't threatning you but your wife/daughter and they have to shoot him.

BLOODY IDIOTIC IF YOU ASK ME
 
grim said:
There is one problem with shooting them, if they are not armed with a similar or deadlier weapon and you kill someone it's not self-defense but cold blooded murder in our lovely country. Oh and if they are carrying a gun don't shoot them in the back even if he is running toward your daughter or wife to rape/assault/murder them because that won't be self-defense because he wasn't threatning you but your wife/daughter and they have to shoot him.

BLOODY IDIOTIC IF YOU ASK ME
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Shoot the guy in the leg, then, when he is down, in the head, then get a family member to shoot you in the arm or something using the intruder's gun( just a flesh wound, and from some distance- and make sure to wipe off the prints afterwards) then you can say he shot you first and whatever followed really was self-defence. That should get you off.
 
halicon said:
thats why i refuse to have any african labourers at my house. no maids, garden service, or builders.

you can call is racist... i like to call it wise.
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Our maid has been working at our house for atleast 20years now she is kinda part of the family her son works for mapogo mathanga(SP?) and so we dont /wont have any break ins cos all the criminals see him in his bakkie at our house a lot
 
i dont think i would like to trust anyone aming a firearm at me after an ordeal like that
 
hj2k_x said:
Shoot the guy in the leg, then, when he is down, in the head, then get a family member to shoot you in the arm or something using the intruder's gun( just a flesh wound, and from some distance- and make sure to wipe off the prints afterwards) then you can say he shot you first and whatever followed really was self-defence. That should get you off.
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ROFL sorry to laugh but it sounds like u have put some time in planning this if something like this ever happens to you
 
I am a white person and consider myself an African. Thus I assume the reference to African men had no connotation to their race.
 
grim said:
There is one problem with shooting them, if they are not armed with a similar or deadlier weapon and you kill someone it's not self-defense but cold blooded murder in our lovely country. Oh and if they are carrying a gun don't shoot them in the back even if he is running toward your daughter or wife to rape/assault/murder them because that won't be self-defense because he wasn't threatning you but your wife/daughter and they have to shoot him.
BLOODY IDIOTIC IF YOU ASK ME
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no, not really. If you are cornered in your room and could not flee you
are allowed to defend yourself. The trick is to show that your life was in danger... But instead of shooting somebody if you had four motion detection cameras around your house you would have had advanced warning, the moment you pick them up trigger one of those foghorns one can hear in a radius of 5km.

The trouble with passives are that they give to many false alarms and thus
everybody ignores it. Passives though combined with motion detection camera's gives excellent results
 
legally incorrect!

captainwifi said:
no, not really. If you are cornered in your room and could not flee you
are allowed to defend yourself. The trick is to show that your life was in danger... But instead of shooting somebody if you had four motion detection cameras around your house you would have had advanced warning, the moment you pick them up trigger one of those foghorns one can hear in a radius of 5km.

The trouble with passives are that they give to many false alarms and thus
everybody ignores it. Passives though combined with motion detection camera's gives excellent results
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grim, you may defend the life of anybody, you don't even have to know them. so if a cashier is held at gun point and you walk up behind the perp and shoot him in the head, you will get off. whether or not it is moral or otherwise, it is still legal to kill people in certain circumstances.

obviously there are limitations. there are however many cases of people defending there houses with shot guns and so forth.

if been reading a little. if you can present one factual case of somebody sent to jail for shooting and killing a armed perpetrator, that would be news to me.

the government wants to paint a picture, but the courts don't support this view. excessive force is one thing, self (private) defence is another.
 
Sad but true, war indeed. May be just as troubling? That half the time these types of violent crime don’t even make headline news or ANY news at all.

I work for an IT company and did a project for a large institution a while back. When I got to one of their .. properties .. close to centurion, I noticed the guards all had (sub machine guns?) I am not a gun expert but it wasn’t normal pistols ... I was shocked and asked about it. The reason I was told? Crime and the ruthlessness of the criminals in their attacks.

So I guess the guards were out gunned that’s why the “upgraded” weapons? What does that tell us about South Africa? I don’t know. I do know it’s not good and it doesn’t seem to be getting any better.

I am sad to say that I am one of the people that don’t see a future for myself in this country and next month I will be gone from South Africa.
 
I am sad to say that I am one of the people that don’t see a future for myself in this country and next month I will be gone from South Africa.
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Sad words that I am reading more and more often on this forum. Any overseas investor (or even visitor) that reads our newspapers, hears our news - drops in on a forum like this - will certainly go elsewhere (and good for them.)
 
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the question is. where is this all going? its not so easy to emigrate because most countries don't want us. and you have to uproot everything and start again.

why is it only getting out of control now?
 
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