We are at war!

Kimosabe said:
Gene's play a factor if the enviroment is there to feed those traits.
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Is this apartheid you refer too? :if so after 12 years C'mon. Maybe hatred yes! maybe, but I doubt? There was no racism in the rest of Africa so what is the common denominator! Only wars? These violent crimes have no ethics or reason! WHY then???????????
 
Xarog said:
It is known that some pit bulls are aggressive, but you always get the exceptions that aren't. You have yet to show that aggressiveness and a casual attitude towards the lives of others is a particular trait of people with a high melanin content in their skin. I've seen plenty of aggressive white guys, too - and plenty of them had a very casual attitude towards the lives of others too. So where's your justification for the claims that it's only black people, and that it's somehow in their genes?

Where did I claim only black people, That's what you said. I am referring to Africa as a whole. As for the genes violent tendencys can be atributed to heritage

It's a far more reasonable explanation that black people in the country have become disillusioned with the empty promises of riches when the old apartheid govt. was finally ousted.

I wondered when this will start? I though so, Now you blame Apartheid. This black violence is not only here, Rwanda, Chad, etc etc....

If you claim something is right, it's up to you to prove it. I told you that your claim is baseless, and that the relative experts on the subject disagree with each other. And you have yet to explain why something as minor as melanin content in the skin could be related to increased aggression.

You can tell me nothing, You have not disproved it either so we agree to disagree. Fact remain the violent crimes is more apparent with black folk even in history. During wars they killed all folk, woman and baby's. I do not know about the Boers killing all and sundry, only warriors
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But then again I am not the expert, You seem to be but did not convince me! In Pit-bull terriers its a fact Genes may play a role. Ask your Wikipedia, maybe you get your prove there! Where is the information about the experts views on this. It was also a known fact that the vikings were cruel and powerful, how do you account for that... Also apartheid! Maybe the Boers were vikings?:D
 
Pupa says he is a white Afrikaner...

I never saw such savagely violent men as the white Afrikaners I was forced to spend my national service with. The things I saw them do in the Caprivi still make me sick. (Andthey did it all with prayers before and prayers afterwards)

And, I was born and raised on a farm in Zululand, where I learned what black Africans are really like. Proud, trustworthy and far less violent than the white baas who ruled over them.
 
SteveV said:
Pupa says he is a white Afrikaner...

I never saw such savagely violent men as the white Afrikaners I was forced to spend my national service with. The things I saw them do in the Caprivi still make me sick. (Andthey did it all with prayers before and prayers afterwards)

And, I was born and raised on a farm in Zululand, where I learned what black Africans are really like. Proud, trustworthy and far less violent than the white baas who ruled over them.
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Was great hey?:D :D When were you there?I was on of those savage Afrikaners
 
argh what i was getting at was that, if you have the trait for violence in your genetic make up, then your enviroment will influence you.

If your bought up in a violent household then your most likely going to be a violent person, if your genetic are that of a violent person.
Its not genes that make ppl violent its the enviroment.
 
SteveV said:
Pupa says he is a white Afrikaner...

I never saw such savagely violent men as the white Afrikaners I was forced to spend my national service with. The things I saw them do in the Caprivi still make me sick. (Andthey did it all with prayers before and prayers afterwards)

And, I was born and raised on a farm in Zululand, where I learned what black Africans are really like. Proud, trustworthy and far less violent than the white baas who ruled over them.
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eek ooh aah race card. you racist :p
 
SteveV said:
Pupa says he is a white Afrikaner...

I never saw such savagely violent men as the white Afrikaners With reason? were you the cook or the lady?:D I was forced to spend my national service with. The things I saw them do in the Caprivi still make me sick. (Andthey did it all with prayers before and prayers afterwards)
Against warriors yes?" not every living thing they came across. Dont know was not there. Do not believe the would enter a Kraal and murder all kids, babys and woman for pleasure or a whole town!
And, I was born and raised on a farm in Zululand, where I learned what black Africans are really like. Proud, trustworthy and far less violent than the white baas who ruled over them.
They respected him, you had the racist pricks but then mostly thats what it was, THE BOSS! not so violent that they killed everybody? just strict
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You are talking about the Zulus now, That proud nation! Me also fron KZN, settled there since I qualified,still scream for the Sharks! My kids for the bulls. Fun!
 
Maybe this thread will answer the violence issue: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=43890

SteveV
I never saw such savagely violent men as the white Afrikaners I was forced to spend my national service with. The things I saw them do in the Caprivi still make me sick. (Andthey did it all with prayers before and prayers afterwards)

And, I was born and raised on a farm in Zululand, where I learned what black Africans are really like. Proud, trustworthy and far less violent than the white baas who ruled over them.

ajak
Was great hey? When were you there?I was on of those savage Afrikaners
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Whoa ajak. Not great man.

:eek:
 
kilo39 said:
Maybe this thread will answer the violence issue: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=43890

Whoa ajak. Not great man.

:eek:
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Now that is interesting, explain that! There is no white Afrikaner boers there no racism as you claim to be the cause and pinnacle of all South African strive. The excuse used by the ANC Tibby for everything even crime and murder. Its Just the way Africans have done it for years as ethnic culture? They saw woman and children's as they saw their cattle, possessions -t heir kingdom. They saw any other nation as a threat to take their kingdom and woman away! Maybe not so much so today with our more modern society, but the question remains, why these violent crimes then. Not only due to the environment I claim! Ditto!

Read this

http://www.happinessonline.org/MoralCode/LiveWithTruth/p3.htm

Researchers have offered myriad explanations -- that having even one trusted, loving adult in his life can buffer a child from the worst long-term effects of abuse, for example. But there is no conclusive evidence.

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That may have changed. Last month, researchers from the U.S., Britain and New Zealand presented persuasive evidence for why some children are resilient and others remain scarred by neglect and abuse: It depends on the child's unique genetic make-up.

Abused boys who carry one version of a particular gene are more likely to grow up to be violent and antisocial than those carrying another version, who usually turn out fine.
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http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/en/doc/2003-11/07/content_279310.htm

http://www.economist.com/science/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1259045

Terrie Moffitt, of the Institute of Psychiatry at King's College, London, and her colleagues, picked MAOA, the gene for a protein called monoamine oxidase-A, for their study, which has just been published in Science. Monoamine oxidase-A is an enzyme that breaks down members of an important group of neurotransmitters, the molecules that carry signals between nerve cells. These neurotransmitters include dopamine, serotonin and norepinephrine, all of which help to regulate a person's mood.

There is abundant evidence that a reduced level of monoamine oxidase-A (and therefore an elevated level of these neurotransmitters) results in violent behaviour. There is also evidence that chronically low levels early in life result in an individual who is more than averagely predisposed to react violently to any given situation in adulthood, regardless of monoamine-oxidase levels at the time.
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2 seconds search on Internet! I arrest my case Your honours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Interesting Blog USA http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/001234.html
 
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pupa - don't know how you managed to come up with Monoamine oxidase-A - a long way from the report mentioned:

"You can't escape it. From when you are born to when you are grown-up, they beat you, shout at you, insult you, and do what they like to control you.
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"I don't know why it has to be like that."

These are the words of an anonymous 16-year old boy from Uganda.
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The report says corporal punishment is part of too many children's "normal" lives at home and school on the continent.
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In addition, it says, hitting children is a lesson in bad behaviour; it teaches them that adults who demand their respect believe that violence is a legitimate way to sort out conflicts or impose authority.
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This was most commonly inflicted on three-year-old children, with a third of parents using "severe" corporal punishment - beating with a belt or stick - and this most commonly on four-year-olds.
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The most severe beatings at home and school are experienced by children from low income environments.
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"It also became clear... that children would like teachers and parents to talk to them and explain what they did wrong instead of using corporal punishment or other forms of humiliating or degrading punishment," the report says.
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"I feel like revenging, but I do not because these parents are big. I can do nothing," the report quotes a Ugandan 12-year-old boy as saying.

"I get regrets why I was born," says a teenage girl.
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Archbishop Desmond Tutu who says: Progress towards abolishing corporal punishment is being made, he says, but millions of the world's children still suffer from humiliating acts of violence, and these violations of their rights as human beings can have serious and lifelong effects.

"Violence begets violence and we shall reap a whirlwind. Children can be disciplined without violence that instils fear and misery."

http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/News/0,,2-11-1447_1933317,00.html
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I did not come up with nothing. I said the violence is related to genetics IMHO. Only talking from life experience, I was shot down and in some 2 sec research and this came up. I did not read all of it and are not interested. I just commented a perception I noticed and then all the racist stoning started again. Now there is many articles and 80 Years of studies done by others racist inclined or not. That reports are their burden not mine. I just did what the other do Link to exhaustive copies of internet cr@p yielded as the bible of all truths. Amen now this is wrong? Scientists think they found the reason why genes and violence are related? What can I say.

My unanswered question on my statements was why have these blacks criminals have an tendency to these extreme violence I was asked to find prove now read and study it. I am nor an racist so are not interested. Only in quelling the violence!

Here another interesting link
http://www.vdare.com/Sailer/050911_new_orleans.htm
 
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SteveV said:
Indeed, your case should be arrested. And shot at dawn.
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Because I state factual perceptions and only got racist responses, giving links for others to read, as they do and now need to be shot at dawn. Typical what these reports are about. Check your genes my friend!:D
 
Yes pupa - but Monoamine oxidase-A applies to all races and all violence(?) - whereas beating from the age of zero is more likely to result in broken people. Read my post! #72
 
pupa, you're making a leap of judgement.

Africa is fcked up because the leaders are corrupt. They're after the rich western white man's life, they want to live the good life, not in 10 years, NOW! And their people suffer in the extreme because of this. They too, want to live a good life and the majority is unable to becaus of their corrupt leaders who don't actually give a damn about improving their poor's situation.The poor are in a situation where they simply don't have any choice in the matter. Their situation makes them the way they are, not because they happen to be black and their *genes* do.
 
kilo39 said:
Yes pupa - but Monoamine oxidase-A applies to all races and all violence(?) - whereas beating from the age of zero is more likely to result in broken people. Read my post! #72
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I never started the race issue I only questioned the fact or my perception if there is an link and got blamed for racism. This article shows there is links between genes and violence. Some titles that links it to greater effects in black races I declined to copy those here as the research, maybe factual, but were racially motivated! The last link I posted have research to IQ. Let someone else do these research I merrily stated there must be some link and PPL stated there is NONE! now they can satisfy themselves and drink on it. Like I am going to do now!
 
pupa said:
I never started the race issue I only questioned the fact or my perception if there is an link and got blamed for racism. This article shows there is links between genes and violence. Some titles that links it to greater effects in black races I declined to copy those here as the research, maybe factual, but were racially motivated! The last link I posted have research to IQ. Let someone else do these research I merrily stated there must be some link and PPL stated there is NONE! now they can satisfy themselves and drink on it. Like I am going to do now!
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Well there you go pupa - off your own link:

Much of this work has been done on mice, but there is also a famous human case. Many of the men in one well-studied Dutch family lack the MAOA gene entirely. These men are notoriously violent individuals.

http://www.economist.com/science/dis...ory_id=1259045
 
kilo39 said:
Well there you go pupa - off your own link:

Much of this work has been done on mice, but there is also a famous human case. Many of the men in one well-studied Dutch family lack the MAOA gene entirely. These men are notoriously violent individuals
SO FOLLOWING PREVIOUS STATEMENTS, were these guys racists, were they Boers from South Africa, are we descendants from them or are these locals only using apartheid as excuse for their violence
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http://www.economist.com/science/dis...ory_id=1259045
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As I stated i did not bring in these theories for fun. I state there is a link between race, Ethnic inheritance and genes! I did what others do. Do not debate the topic, just run to Wiki or Google and post cr@p. FOR EVERY SCIENCE CLAIM PRINTED THERE WILL BE SCEPTICS. So point and case closed

Justify this, Apartheid again? or genes or circumstances? remember the tyre necklace's
http://www.mweb.co.za/news/?p=top_article&i=149238
 
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