We are now heading back into the cold war

[marine1]

Are we now heading back into the cold war ?

http://www.news24.com/News24/Technology/News/0,,2-13-1443_2445062,00.html

Seems Putin's true KGB colours have come out.

70 nuclear missiles for Russia
22/12/2008 22:36 - (SA)



Moscow - Russian news reports are quoting a senior government official as saying the military will commission 70 strategic nuclear missiles over the next three years.

They quote Vladislav Putilin as saying the government has decided to spend about 4 trillion rubles, or $141 billion, on new weapons over the next three years.

He was quoted as saying after Monday's Cabinet meeting that the money will buy 70 strategic missiles and 30 short-range Iskander missiles among other military hardware.

The number of missiles mentioned by Putilin indicates the government's intention to significantly increase the tempo of rearming Russia's Strategic Missile Forces.

Putilin is a deputy head of the Cabinet's military-industrial commission in charge of weapons industries.

 

[Slaine73]

A few months ago I said to my wife that this new Russian aggression does not bode well for the future. More and more they go against the other big players and more and more they get involved in situations that just a short time ago they kept out of.

 

[BeVonk!]

Czar Putin and the Phoenix.

See: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=2387333&postcount=24

Was tongue-in-cheeck ... but who knows? It's not impossible.

 

[marine1]

Could indeed happen. Putin is one dangerous man and I have said it all along, he wants his country to be back to the old ways IMO

 

[medicnick83]

I always hated how in movies, not matter what type of disaster we face, Russia has something to do with it.

Seems the movies were 'onto something'

 

[BeVonk!]

Historically Russians want a Czar ... and Putin is willing to be that Czar.

I've always warned that Russia will never accept a second tier role in geopolitics. It's in their blood to dominate.

 

[Hosehead]

Perestroika has always been a myth. The wolves sleep under sheeps clothing.

 

[JHatman]

Its all about this:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/07/08/missile.defense/index.html

 

[shadowfox]

Missile defence systems aren't nuclear though - there's a massive difference between that and the long range (strategic) missiles that Russia seems to be proposing.

I'm not saying that they can't do damage if aimed at Russia, but since those systems are specialised to target and destroy airborne targets using them against soft ground targets are hardly ideal.

If the Russians are using that as an excuse, its a pretty weak one - especially since the US are claiming to be open about it. And the Czechs will most likely be receptive since it covers them as well.

+1 on Slaine73's comment though - the Russians have been unusually aggressive lately.

 

[BTTB]

/Dons tin hat

It is not Russia that we need to be concerned about, but the West with it's Imperialistic aggression that has been funded by the Central Bankers for the last 100 years and more.

Russia may still be our Saviour one day?

The signs are there.

The UK Pound is going to be done away with in favour of the Euro. The Pound is devaluing as we speak. Intentionally.

Canada, USA and Mexico will form the American Union. The US Dollar will fall away in favour of the Amero as the US Currency has been debased

Single currencies will be the flavour of the next few decades. People across the world will accept them as the Media helps to sway us to this extent.

All in all the Central Bankers of the World want more than the US Federal Reserve and the Bank of England. They want it all. World domination. Single currencies, smart chips, RFID chips, you name it.

Russia, perhaps China and a few other smaller countries like Venezuela may be the obstacle in the way of these Bankers. Even South Africa may play a part?

/Removes tin hat

 

[Phenom]

Why 70? Russia already has enough to bomb most of the world, why do these nations need just so many?

Nuclear weapons are disgusting, not only as to the number of people it could kill, but also that the fallout would be true horror. The US gov spends a great deal on making it's weapons as clean as possible, mini-nuke and antimatter weapon research is also underway, the long term damages of these weapons is fairly small, antimatter fallout only lasts 24h.

Russia has little concern for innocent people who may also be effected by their wars.

 

[Sackboy]

The UK Pound is going to be done away with in favour of the Euro. The Pound is devaluing as we speak. Intentionally.

Canada, USA and Mexico will form the American Union. The US Dollar will fall away in favour of the Amero as the US Currency has been debased

Single currencies will be the flavour of the next few decades. People across the world will accept them as the Media helps to sway us to this extent.

All in all the Central Bankers of the World want more than the US Federal Reserve and the Bank of England. They want it all. World domination. Single currencies, smart chips, RFID chips, you name it.

Russia, perhaps China and a few other smaller countries like Venezuela may be the obstacle in the way of these Bankers. Even South Africa may play a part?
/Removes tin hat

What makes you think any of this is deliberate. The US and the UK are involved in costly conflicts around the world. They probably suppressed the amount of bleeding that was happening for so long, and now with the credit problem, it's all coming out in the wash.

 

[JHatman]

Russia's fears aren't that unfounded. Imagine how well this would go down; Russia launches a missile to defend itself against a missile flying over its air space launched from the middle east. The Russian missile gets shot down by US SAM site

 

[Brawler]

The UK Pound is going to be done away with in favour of the Euro.

Canada, USA and Mexico will form the American Union. The US Dollar will fall away in favour of the Amero as the US Currency has been debased

Single currencies will be the flavour of the next few decades. People across the world will accept them as the Media helps to sway us to this extent.

What will we in the arse end of the world use(Africa), the Afro?

 

[krycor]

Russia's fears aren't that unfounded. Imagine how well this would go down; Russia launches a missile to defend itself against a missile flying over its air space launched from the middle east. The Russian missile gets shot down by US SAM site

You're assuming the US doesn't get more aggressive, if they could go into Iraq when they had no WMD's what can they push thru proactively when there are? Not everyone is happy to live under the US imperialism.. whats that saying.. the path to hell is paved with good intentions? The US is as much responsible for this purchase as Russia. The US has LOTS of nuclear weapons itself.

 

[scotty777]

You're assuming the US doesn't get more aggressive, if they could go into Iraq when they had no WMD's what can they push thru proactively when there are? Not everyone is happy to live under the US imperialism.. whats that saying.. the path to hell is paved with good intentions? The US is as much responsible for this purchase as Russia. The US has LOTS of nuclear weapons itself.

ye, I was thinking about that as well...
I mean, would the US be like :"ok guys, lets spread like billions on 'safer weapons' just so we don't, you know hurt anyone that gets caught in the crossfire"

over:"HOOORAAAAAA, we got these here nukes! yets blow up some ****ing RUSHIANS!!!!! YEAAHHHH.... OOOO...."

 

[Syndyre]

/Dons tin hat

It is not Russia that we need to be concerned about, but the West with it's Imperialistic aggression that has been funded by the Central Bankers for the last 100 years and more.

Russia may still be our Saviour one day?

The signs are there.

The UK Pound is going to be done away with in favour of the Euro. The Pound is devaluing as we speak. Intentionally.

Canada, USA and Mexico will form the American Union. The US Dollar will fall away in favour of the Amero as the US Currency has been debased

Single currencies will be the flavour of the next few decades. People across the world will accept them as the Media helps to sway us to this extent.

All in all the Central Bankers of the World want more than the US Federal Reserve and the Bank of England. They want it all. World domination. Single currencies, smart chips, RFID chips, you name it.

Russia, perhaps China and a few other smaller countries like Venezuela may be the obstacle in the way of these Bankers. Even South Africa may play a part?

/Removes tin hat

Do you really believe that or are you just playing devil's advocate? Why do you assume the pound's devaluation is deliberate? Its a natural consequence of their increasing budget deficit etc. In the end it'll probably be better for them to be part of the EMU so they can use what's now becoming the global reserve currency, should be more stable for their financial services sector too, you don't want to end up like Iceland.

If the NAFTA countries did form an American Union (any evidence btw?) the "Amero" would essentially be the USD as the US has by far the biggest economy out of the 3 countries.

Chavez couldn't stop anything, he just likes creating a scene and he'll probably crash and burn now with the falling oil price. Not a moment too soon either.

That's the same problem Russia faces, IIRC their budget is set on the basis of an oil price of around $70-80 a barrel, with the current prices they might not be able to fund all of this.

 

[PeterCH]

The Russians are testing Obama already. They have signed a deal to sell the S300 surface to air missile defence system to Iran. This would complicate an Israeli attack on Iran - there sheer number of possible nuclear sites and this new defence system would require many sorties - first to eliminate the SAMs, and secondly to hit the targets.
It would probably make it impossible for Israel to comprehensively strike Iran by itself.
Secondly, it also makes matters difficult for the US since US agreed not to use Iraq as a staging point for an air strike on Iran and Turkey does not want to be included in that either.

Russians are already testing Obama.

 

[krycor]

The Russians are testing Obama already. They have signed a deal to sell the S300 surface to air missile defence system to Iran. This would complicate an Israeli attack on Iran - there sheer number of possible nuclear sites and this new defence system would require many sorties - first to eliminate the SAMs, and secondly to hit the targets.
It would probably make it impossible for Israel to comprehensively strike Iran by itself.
Secondly, it also makes matters difficult for the US since US agreed not to use Iraq as a staging point for an air strike on Iran and Turkey does not want to be included in that either.

Russians are already testing Obama.

You make it seem like
1. invasion perfectly normal and acceptable
2. attack on iran is perfectly fine, dandy and a given.

 

[Sackboy]

The Russians are testing Obama already. They have signed a deal to sell the S300 surface to air missile defence system to Iran. This would complicate an Israeli attack on Iran - there sheer number of possible nuclear sites and this new defence system would require many sorties - first to eliminate the SAMs, and secondly to hit the targets.
It would probably make it impossible for Israel to comprehensively strike Iran by itself.
Secondly, it also makes matters difficult for the US since US agreed not to use Iraq as a staging point for an air strike on Iran and Turkey does not want to be included in that either.

Russians are already testing Obama.

It's more a response to the hostility from the US over the Georgian affair. The fact that there will be a new president is maybe coincidence. I don't see much reform in the new administration's policy towards Russia. They will arm Russia's enemies, just as Russia will arm Iran. So who started this?

Russia is also making good on its promises to send ships to the US back yard - the Caribbean. One nuclear powered/armed cruiser will be coming to Cape Town next month (Peter the Great).