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DrJohnZoidberg · May 15, 2021

Hingisp said:
Wow first time seeing this speed to Jhb server on the shield device. Nice!

Cries in Octotel

DrJohnZoidberg · May 15, 2021

Honestly Octotel should just stop providing this service and give me a 500/250 link. Expecting gigabit speeds on their network is a bit optimistic I think.

Seeyou · May 15, 2021

DrJohnZoidberg said:
Honestly Octotel should just stop providing this service and give me a 500/250 link. Expecting gigabit speeds on their network is a bit optimistic I think.

That's why I downgraded back down to 200/200. Anything above is not worthwhile on Octotel.

DrJohnZoidberg · May 15, 2021

Seeyou said:
That's why I downgraded back down to 200/200. Anything above is not worthwhile on Octotel.

I mean I'm still getting on average double the download speed than 200Mbps (and higher in best case scenarios) so I't worth the extra 300 bucks imo. As for the upload only being 100 I haven't really noticed that impacting me all that much.

One thing I did appreciate about being on 200/200 was the consistency, most of the time it would reach those speeds now it's a crap-shoot as to what speed I'll get.

Seeyou · May 15, 2021

DrJohnZoidberg said:
I mean I'm still getting on average double the download speed than 200Mbps (and higher in best case scenarios) so I't worth the extra 300 bucks imo. As for the upload only being 100 I haven't really noticed that impacting me all that much.

One thing I did appreciate about being on 200/200 was the consistency, most of the time it would reach those speeds now it's a crap-shoot as to what speed I'll get.

You must be in a slightly better Octotel neighbourhood than me. I could hit about 40-50MB/sec but only if I threw several dozen connections at a download, which then got me slapped by the upstream DDoS protection and black-holed for a few minutes at time. Eventually I found I could achieve a max of around 35MB/sec consistently without triggering anything, and that just wasn't worth the extra money for me.

DrJohnZoidberg · May 15, 2021

Seeyou said:
You must be in a slightly better Octotel neighbourhood than me. I could hit about 40-50MB/sec but only if I threw several dozen connections at a download, which then got me slapped by the upstream DDoS protection and black-holed for a few minutes at time. Eventually I found I could achieve a max of around 35MB/sec consistently without triggering anything, and that just wasn't worth the extra money for me.

Haven't had any issues with multiple connections, I get around 40-50MB/s consistently on NNTP using 100+ connections across 3 providers.

MadaoArseid · May 16, 2021

Anyone having issues in Durban? Been down for the last 30 mins or so. Zoom trenched.

Hingisp · May 16, 2021

Madao-za said:
Anyone having issues in Durban? Been down for the last 30 mins or so. Zoom trenched.

On vumatel trenched dbn and no issues here

websquadza · May 16, 2021

Madao-za said:
Anyone having issues in Durban? Been down for the last 30 mins or so. Zoom trenched.

Zoom has reported issues on Bluff. Services restored. Please confirm?

MadaoArseid · May 16, 2021

websquadza said:
Zoom has reported issues on Bluff. Services restored. Please confirm?

Came back for a bit but it has gone down again

Gimli_ · May 16, 2021

Whooohaaaa @websquadza something is not right. My Netflix and Amazon prime apps on my tv box reported network problems. The tracroute below seem way out of kilter.

~$ traceroute6 netflix.com
traceroute to netflix.com (2600:1f18:631e:2f84:ceae:e049:1e:6a96) from 2c0f:f030:209:***:fa94, 30 hops max, 24 byte packets
1 dlinkrouter.Dlink (2c0f:f030:209:7100:1a0f:76ff:fe87:4d09) 0.5905 ms 0.4960 ms 0.4616 ms
2 2c0f:f030:200:200:: (2c0f:f030:200:200:

5.9662 ms 5.0325 ms 4.8673 ms
3 core.cr-01.jb1.za.ws.net.za (2c0f:f030::1000:101) 6.1749 ms 4.3783 ms 4.4843 ms
4 2c0f:f030::1000:aa (2c0f:f030::1000:aa) 4.7453 ms 4.7600 ms 4.1063 ms
5 2c0f:e9a0:2::1a:1 (2c0f:e9a0:2::1a:1) 5.8057 ms 5.2064 ms 4.7027 ms
6 2001:550:0:1000::9a36:2b25 (2001:550:0:1000::9a36:2b25) 5.6011 ms 4.7560 ms 5.5310 ms
7 * * 2001:550:0:1000::8275:59 (2001:550:0:1000::8275:59) 165.0308 ms
8 * * *
9 * * *
10 2001:550:2:2c::7a:2 (2001:550:2:2c::7a:2) 232.6054 ms 226.9023 ms 226.6896 ms
11 * * *
12 2620:107:4000:ff::94 (2620:107:4000:ff::94) 228.1225 ms 229.5439 ms 228.2697 ms
13 2620:107:4000:9002::49 (2620:107:4000:9002::49) 236.8482 ms 238.6541 ms 235.7154 ms
14 2620:107:4000:9002::53 (2620:107:4000:9002::53) 234.8202 ms 236.1168 ms 234.2985 ms
15 2620:107:4000:9002::1d (2620:107:4000:9002::1d) 237.0551 ms 234.3818 ms 235.0882 ms
16 2620:107:4000:9002::8a (2620:107:4000:9002::8a) 235.3336 ms 235.0176 ms 234.6226 ms
17 2620:107:4000:9002::8c (2620:107:4000:9002::8c) 233.9494 ms 234.0347 ms 234.5419 ms
18 2620:107:4000:9001::7d (2620:107:4000:9001::7d) 234.8029 ms 234.4596 ms 234.3520 ms
19 2620:107:4000:9001::80 (2620:107:4000:9001::80) 235.9229 ms 235.7563 ms 234.6166 ms
20 2620:107:4000:9001::2 (2620:107:4000:9001::2) 235.0575 ms 238.9316 ms 234.2324 ms
21 2620:107:4000:9001::2c (2620:107:4000:9001::2c) 237.4924 ms 235.3286 ms 236.7646 ms
22 2620:107:4000:9001::25 (2620:107:4000:9001::25) 241.5732 ms 235.4126 ms 237.0668 ms
23 2620:107:4000:8002::65 (2620:107:4000:8002::65) 234.2979 ms 234.0134 ms 232.9188 ms
24 * * *
25 * * *
26 * * *
27 2620:107:4000:cfff::f200:a3a0 (2620:107:4000:cfff::f200:a3a0) 234.4953 ms 234.2326 ms 234.2305 ms
28 2620:107:4000:a610::f000:241a (2620:107:4000:a610::f000:241a) 234.9791 ms 235.4210 ms 234.8562 ms
29 2620:107:4000:cfff::f200:a081 (2620:107:4000:cfff::f200:a081) 236.3453 ms 236.5582 ms 235.9146 ms
30 2620:107:4000:cfff::f3ff:100 (2620:107:4000:cfff::f3ff:100) 234.8316 ms 239.8205 ms 240.7442 ms

Gimli_ · May 16, 2021

Seems Cogent is routing Netflix to the US??

cavedog · May 16, 2021

Gimli said:
Whooohaaaa @websquadza something is not right. My Netflix and Amazon prime apps on my tv box reported network problems. The tracroute below seem way out of kilter.

~$ traceroute6 netflix.com
traceroute to netflix.com (2600:1f18:631e:2f84:ceae:e049:1e:6a96) from 2c0f:f030:209:***:fa94, 30 hops max, 24 byte packets
1 dlinkrouter.Dlink (2c0f:f030:209:7100:1a0f:76ff:fe87:4d09) 0.5905 ms 0.4960 ms 0.4616 ms
2 2c0f:f030:200:200:: (2c0f:f030:200:200: 5.9662 ms 5.0325 ms 4.8673 ms
3 core.cr-01.jb1.za.ws.net.za (2c0f:f030::1000:101) 6.1749 ms 4.3783 ms 4.4843 ms
4 2c0f:f030::1000:aa (2c0f:f030::1000:aa) 4.7453 ms 4.7600 ms 4.1063 ms
5 2c0f:e9a0:2::1a:1 (2c0f:e9a0:2::1a:1) 5.8057 ms 5.2064 ms 4.7027 ms
6 2001:550:0:1000::9a36:2b25 (2001:550:0:1000::9a36:2b25) 5.6011 ms 4.7560 ms 5.5310 ms
7 * * 2001:550:0:1000::8275:59 (2001:550:0:1000::8275:59) 165.0308 ms
8 * * *
9 * * *
10 2001:550:2:2c::7a:2 (2001:550:2:2c::7a:2) 232.6054 ms 226.9023 ms 226.6896 ms
11 * * *
12 2620:107:4000:ff::94 (2620:107:4000:ff::94) 228.1225 ms 229.5439 ms 228.2697 ms
13 2620:107:4000:9002::49 (2620:107:4000:9002::49) 236.8482 ms 238.6541 ms 235.7154 ms
14 2620:107:4000:9002::53 (2620:107:4000:9002::53) 234.8202 ms 236.1168 ms 234.2985 ms
15 2620:107:4000:9002::1d (2620:107:4000:9002::1d) 237.0551 ms 234.3818 ms 235.0882 ms
16 2620:107:4000:9002::8a (2620:107:4000:9002::8a) 235.3336 ms 235.0176 ms 234.6226 ms
17 2620:107:4000:9002::8c (2620:107:4000:9002::8c) 233.9494 ms 234.0347 ms 234.5419 ms
18 2620:107:4000:9001::7d (2620:107:4000:9001::7d) 234.8029 ms 234.4596 ms 234.3520 ms
19 2620:107:4000:9001::80 (2620:107:4000:9001::80) 235.9229 ms 235.7563 ms 234.6166 ms
20 2620:107:4000:9001::2 (2620:107:4000:9001::2) 235.0575 ms 238.9316 ms 234.2324 ms
21 2620:107:4000:9001::2c (2620:107:4000:9001::2c) 237.4924 ms 235.3286 ms 236.7646 ms
22 2620:107:4000:9001::25 (2620:107:4000:9001::25) 241.5732 ms 235.4126 ms 237.0668 ms
23 2620:107:4000:8002::65 (2620:107:4000:8002::65) 234.2979 ms 234.0134 ms 232.9188 ms
24 * * *
25 * * *
26 * * *
27 2620:107:4000:cfff::f200:a3a0 (2620:107:4000:cfff::f200:a3a0) 234.4953 ms 234.2326 ms 234.2305 ms
28 2620:107:4000:a610::f000:241a (2620:107:4000:a610::f000:241a) 234.9791 ms 235.4210 ms 234.8562 ms
29 2620:107:4000:cfff::f200:a081 (2620:107:4000:cfff::f200:a081) 236.3453 ms 236.5582 ms 235.9146 ms
30 2620:107:4000:cfff::f3ff:100 (2620:107:4000:cfff::f3ff:100) 234.8316 ms 239.8205 ms 240.7442 ms

Netflix.com is server from a US source. The content should be local.

Gimli_ · May 16, 2021

cavedog said:
Netflix.com is server from a US source. The content should be local.

Same as Google right? And with Google it resolves to local data centre with 5 ms ping. Netflix is supposed to do the same but tonight, we go all the way to the US.

As an example, here is a traceroute to Google

traceroute6 google.com
traceroute to google.com (2c0f:fb50:4002:804::200e) from 2c0f:f030:***:fa94, 30 hops max, 24 byte packets
1 dlinkrouter.Dlink (2c0f:f030:***:4d09) 0.5746 ms 0.4659 ms 0.4060 ms
2 2c0f:f030:200:200:: (2c0f:f030:200:200:

5.1658 ms 4.6722 ms 4.2516 ms
3 core.cr-01.jb1.za.ws.net.za (2c0f:f030::1000:101) 4.3498 ms 4.8518 ms 4.2855 ms
4 core.pe-ge-inx.jnb.za.ws.net.za (2c0f:f030:6000::302) 4.8881 ms 4.9863 ms 4.9891 ms
5 google.jinx.net.za (2001:43f8:1f0::41) 5.8415 ms 6.2410 ms 5.9792 ms
6 2001:4860:0:2a::1 (2001:4860:0:2a::1) 6.3206 ms 6.6350 ms 5.9074 ms
7 2001:4860:0:1::2fa9 (2001:4860:0:1::2fa9) 5.8926 ms 6.1557 ms 6.5153 ms
8 2c0f:fb50:4002:804::200e (2c0f:fb50:4002:804::200e) 5.6143 ms 5.0389 ms 5.8049 ms

websquadza · May 16, 2021

Gimli said:
Whooohaaaa @websquadza something is not right. My Netflix and Amazon prime apps on my tv box reported network problems. The tracroute below seem way out of kilter.

~$ traceroute6 netflix.com
traceroute to netflix.com (2600:1f18:631e:2f84:ceae:e049:1e:6a96) from 2c0f:f030:209:***:fa94, 30 hops max, 24 byte packets
1 dlinkrouter.Dlink (2c0f:f030:209:7100:1a0f:76ff:fe87:4d09) 0.5905 ms 0.4960 ms 0.4616 ms
2 2c0f:f030:200:200:: (2c0f:f030:200:200: 5.9662 ms 5.0325 ms 4.8673 ms
3 core.cr-01.jb1.za.ws.net.za (2c0f:f030::1000:101) 6.1749 ms 4.3783 ms 4.4843 ms
4 2c0f:f030::1000:aa (2c0f:f030::1000:aa) 4.7453 ms 4.7600 ms 4.1063 ms
5 2c0f:e9a0:2::1a:1 (2c0f:e9a0:2::1a:1) 5.8057 ms 5.2064 ms 4.7027 ms
6 2001:550:0:1000::9a36:2b25 (2001:550:0:1000::9a36:2b25) 5.6011 ms 4.7560 ms 5.5310 ms
7 * * 2001:550:0:1000::8275:59 (2001:550:0:1000::8275:59) 165.0308 ms
8 * * *
9 * * *
10 2001:550:2:2c::7a:2 (2001:550:2:2c::7a:2) 232.6054 ms 226.9023 ms 226.6896 ms
11 * * *
12 2620:107:4000:ff::94 (2620:107:4000:ff::94) 228.1225 ms 229.5439 ms 228.2697 ms
13 2620:107:4000:9002::49 (2620:107:4000:9002::49) 236.8482 ms 238.6541 ms 235.7154 ms
14 2620:107:4000:9002::53 (2620:107:4000:9002::53) 234.8202 ms 236.1168 ms 234.2985 ms
15 2620:107:4000:9002::1d (2620:107:4000:9002::1d) 237.0551 ms 234.3818 ms 235.0882 ms
16 2620:107:4000:9002::8a (2620:107:4000:9002::8a) 235.3336 ms 235.0176 ms 234.6226 ms
17 2620:107:4000:9002::8c (2620:107:4000:9002::8c) 233.9494 ms 234.0347 ms 234.5419 ms
18 2620:107:4000:9001::7d (2620:107:4000:9001::7d) 234.8029 ms 234.4596 ms 234.3520 ms
19 2620:107:4000:9001::80 (2620:107:4000:9001::80) 235.9229 ms 235.7563 ms 234.6166 ms
20 2620:107:4000:9001::2 (2620:107:4000:9001::2) 235.0575 ms 238.9316 ms 234.2324 ms
21 2620:107:4000:9001::2c (2620:107:4000:9001::2c) 237.4924 ms 235.3286 ms 236.7646 ms
22 2620:107:4000:9001::25 (2620:107:4000:9001::25) 241.5732 ms 235.4126 ms 237.0668 ms
23 2620:107:4000:8002::65 (2620:107:4000:8002::65) 234.2979 ms 234.0134 ms 232.9188 ms
24 * * *
25 * * *
26 * * *
27 2620:107:4000:cfff::f200:a3a0 (2620:107:4000:cfff::f200:a3a0) 234.4953 ms 234.2326 ms 234.2305 ms
28 2620:107:4000:a610::f000:241a (2620:107:4000:a610::f000:241a) 234.9791 ms 235.4210 ms 234.8562 ms
29 2620:107:4000:cfff::f200:a081 (2620:107:4000:cfff::f200:a081) 236.3453 ms 236.5582 ms 235.9146 ms
30 2620:107:4000:cfff::f3ff:100 (2620:107:4000:cfff::f3ff:100) 234.8316 ms 239.8205 ms 240.7442 ms

What DNS are you using? Netflix Frontend (content is delivered by local caches) and Amazon are both delivered by AWS. Checked now and v4 and v6 for netflix.com both resolve to AWS ranges locally.

websquadza · May 16, 2021

Gimli said:
Whooohaaaa @websquadza something is not right. My Netflix and Amazon prime apps on my tv box reported network problems. The tracroute below seem way out of kilter.

~$ traceroute6 netflix.com
traceroute to netflix.com (2600:1f18:631e:2f84:ceae:e049:1e:6a96) from 2c0f:f030:209:***:fa94, 30 hops max, 24 byte packets
1 dlinkrouter.Dlink (2c0f:f030:209:7100:1a0f:76ff:fe87:4d09) 0.5905 ms 0.4960 ms 0.4616 ms
2 2c0f:f030:200:200:: (2c0f:f030:200:200: 5.9662 ms 5.0325 ms 4.8673 ms
3 core.cr-01.jb1.za.ws.net.za (2c0f:f030::1000:101) 6.1749 ms 4.3783 ms 4.4843 ms
4 2c0f:f030::1000:aa (2c0f:f030::1000:aa) 4.7453 ms 4.7600 ms 4.1063 ms
5 2c0f:e9a0:2::1a:1 (2c0f:e9a0:2::1a:1) 5.8057 ms 5.2064 ms 4.7027 ms
6 2001:550:0:1000::9a36:2b25 (2001:550:0:1000::9a36:2b25) 5.6011 ms 4.7560 ms 5.5310 ms
7 * * 2001:550:0:1000::8275:59 (2001:550:0:1000::8275:59) 165.0308 ms
8 * * *
9 * * *
10 2001:550:2:2c::7a:2 (2001:550:2:2c::7a:2) 232.6054 ms 226.9023 ms 226.6896 ms
11 * * *
12 2620:107:4000:ff::94 (2620:107:4000:ff::94) 228.1225 ms 229.5439 ms 228.2697 ms
13 2620:107:4000:9002::49 (2620:107:4000:9002::49) 236.8482 ms 238.6541 ms 235.7154 ms
14 2620:107:4000:9002::53 (2620:107:4000:9002::53) 234.8202 ms 236.1168 ms 234.2985 ms
15 2620:107:4000:9002::1d (2620:107:4000:9002::1d) 237.0551 ms 234.3818 ms 235.0882 ms
16 2620:107:4000:9002::8a (2620:107:4000:9002::8a) 235.3336 ms 235.0176 ms 234.6226 ms
17 2620:107:4000:9002::8c (2620:107:4000:9002::8c) 233.9494 ms 234.0347 ms 234.5419 ms
18 2620:107:4000:9001::7d (2620:107:4000:9001::7d) 234.8029 ms 234.4596 ms 234.3520 ms
19 2620:107:4000:9001::80 (2620:107:4000:9001::80) 235.9229 ms 235.7563 ms 234.6166 ms
20 2620:107:4000:9001::2 (2620:107:4000:9001::2) 235.0575 ms 238.9316 ms 234.2324 ms
21 2620:107:4000:9001::2c (2620:107:4000:9001::2c) 237.4924 ms 235.3286 ms 236.7646 ms
22 2620:107:4000:9001::25 (2620:107:4000:9001::25) 241.5732 ms 235.4126 ms 237.0668 ms
23 2620:107:4000:8002::65 (2620:107:4000:8002::65) 234.2979 ms 234.0134 ms 232.9188 ms
24 * * *
25 * * *
26 * * *
27 2620:107:4000:cfff::f200:a3a0 (2620:107:4000:cfff::f200:a3a0) 234.4953 ms 234.2326 ms 234.2305 ms
28 2620:107:4000:a610::f000:241a (2620:107:4000:a610::f000:241a) 234.9791 ms 235.4210 ms 234.8562 ms
29 2620:107:4000:cfff::f200:a081 (2620:107:4000:cfff::f200:a081) 236.3453 ms 236.5582 ms 235.9146 ms
30 2620:107:4000:cfff::f3ff:100 (2620:107:4000:cfff::f3ff:100) 234.8316 ms 239.8205 ms 240.7442 ms

Your netflix.com request is resolving to an IP in 2600:1f18:6000::/35 owned by AWS; but not advertised over AWS's peering locally; usually because the range is reserved for local use (like in the case of a CDN).

Gimli_ · May 16, 2021

I am using quad9.

cavedog · May 16, 2021

Something odd with AWS on that range...

Code:

 1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  2c0f:f4c0:1040:498::1
  2     2 ms     3 ms     3 ms  2c0f:f4c0:1040::1
  3     4 ms     3 ms     2 ms  2c0f:f4c0:1000:3::33
  4     5 ms     3 ms    13 ms  2c0f:f4c0:1000:3::31
  5     4 ms     4 ms     4 ms  2c0e:2004:0:7::1
  6   170 ms   170 ms   170 ms  2001:978:2:21::2a6:1
  7     *        *      171 ms  be2348.ccr41.lon13.atlas.cogentco.com [2001:550:0:1000::8275:3349]
  8   233 ms     *        *     be2099.ccr31.bos01.atlas.cogentco.com [2001:550:0:1000::9a36:5222]
  9   227 ms   228 ms   227 ms  2001:550:2:2c::7a:2
 10     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 11     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 12     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 13     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 14  ^C

websquadza · May 16, 2021

Gimli said:
I am using quad9.

Testing now (using cloudflare), it seems that the nameserver handing out netflix.com IPs is doing something weird. Testing from home, I get a local AWS result, and testing from another VM, DNS resolves to the same range you're receiving. This second range isn't advertised by AWS locally, and seems to be a regional range (probably for a local cache) sitting behind Georgetown University's network (2620:107::/32).

As far as I know, Netflix and Amazon use Route53 Name Server (https://aws.amazon.com/route53/features/) which is meant to resolve DNS geographically to the nearest IP (similary to how Google.com always resolves locally). Basically, you query your DNS, your DNS queries the nameservers attached to netflix.com and Route53 is meant to dish out the closest IP. IPv4 resolution seems good. Just seems like IPv6 is hoping between a local endpoint and the one above.

Looney · May 17, 2021

Does this look right to anyone?

--- dualstack.apiproxy-website-nlb-prod-2-b4de62b516adfbbf.elb.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100.0% packet loss
ping netflix.com
PING netflix.com (54.170.196.176): 56 data bytes
Request timeout for icmp_seq 0
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1
Request timeout for icmp_seq 2
Request timeout for icmp_seq 3
Request timeout for icmp_seq 4
Request timeout for icmp_seq 5
Request timeout for icmp_seq 6
Request timeout for icmp_seq 7
Request timeout for icmp_seq 8
Request timeout for icmp_seq 9
Request timeout for icmp_seq 10
Request timeout for icmp_seq 11
Request timeout for icmp_seq 12
Request timeout for icmp_seq 13
Request timeout for icmp_seq 14

--- netflix.com ping statistics ---
16 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100.0% packet loss
traceroute netflix.com
traceroute: Warning: netflix.com has multiple addresses; using 54.170.196.176
traceroute to netflix.com (54.170.196.176), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
1 192.168.2.1 (192.168.2.1) 2.573 ms 0.831 ms 2.586 ms
2 core.bng-xe-02.jb1.za.wecom.net.za (160.119.230.1) 2.755 ms 2.845 ms 2.835 ms
3 core.cr-xe-01.jb1.za.ws.net.za (160.119.224.29) 6.981 ms 3.406 ms 2.953 ms
4 core.pe-xe-ix01.jb1.za.ws.net.za (160.119.224.17) 3.602 ms 3.359 ms 3.239 ms
5 196-60-9-105.ixp.joburg (196.60.9.105) 3.836 ms 3.423 ms 3.551 ms
6 52.93.56.120 (52.93.56.120) 4.930 ms
52.93.56.8 (52.93.56.8) 5.181 ms
52.93.56.120 (52.93.56.120) 6.420 ms
7 52.93.56.39 (52.93.56.39) 5.643 ms
52.93.56.21 (52.93.56.21) 5.709 ms
52.93.56.129 (52.93.56.129) 4.530 ms
8 * * *
9 * * *
10 * * *

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