Weed advice

iaywtimnbe said:
What drugs are we referring to, and did/do they never smoke weed? Sure alcohol can be as bad. Not going to get arguments from me on that one.
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Some of them did smoke weed, some didn't, some still do. None of them started on weed though
 
iaywtimnbe said:
Your emotions preclude you from a logical debate.


I'm sure you're just echoing satanboy's logic there.
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I don't understand what you mean.
You specifically asked "how many hard drug users do you know who didn't start on weed?"
I answered that I don't know any who started on weed (or actually all the users I know didn't start on weed).
You reply my logic is faulty

Did you want an exact number?
:wtf: :confused:
 
iaywtimnbe said:
On the flipside, how many hard drug users do you know who didn't start on weed? I'm not talking prescription stuff.
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iaywtimnbe said:
What drugs are we referring to, and did/do they never smoke weed? Sure alcohol can be as bad. Not going to get arguments from me on that one.
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Maybe it is caused by traffic accidents or proximity to trees.

It fundamentally doesn't matter whether they ever smoked cannabis. It's simply a correlation. The order that people encounter drugs is merely coincidence.

xeslaro said:
16 y/o kids breaking rules, and a criminal record is 'in vogue' these days?
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Breaking rules has always been in vogue. No reason they'd get a criminal record either.

iaywtimnbe said:
it's NOT in vogue with employers ;)
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So they work for themselves instead of some backward ass who won't give them a job because they happen to enjoy a politically incorrect drug.
 
xeslaro said:
If it were my 16 yr old child I would not endorse the use of cannabis. Frankly, I would probably set the rules and any breach will be met with punishment.
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No doubt you'd pat yourself on the back thinking that they'd definitely comply. Looking back at my teenage years I can only laugh uproariously at your advice (as we laughed at the hard-line parents who thought they had their children under control).

No wonder the youth are a lost generation.
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Yes, they have been for the last 100,000 years or so. We're definitely doomed and the world must be about to end any minute.

koeksGHT said:
You are much more likely to move to hard drugs from these forums than what weed will ever do...
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I'd worry about them moving into hard forums.
 
iaywtimnbe said:
On the flipside, how many hard drug users do you know who didn't start on [-]weed[/-] alcohol and cigarettes? I'm not talking prescription stuff.
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If there are 'gateway drugs', it is those, both freely available to purchase legally in our society.

The 'ladder' of drugs is the result of our social and legal constructs, there is very little (if any) evidence that shows there is a chemical path from one drug to the next.
 
Roger Moore said:
All you guys need to get a joint and calm the ¥£$% down ........ :p
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Ahem. Back to the topic at hand.
One thing stood out for me in the OP.
So, the other day jnr's mother is rifling through her stuff
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Not - oops, found it while cleaning. Piercings to weed in a question of a few weeks? You guys had your suspicions.
Has her friends changed recently? Problems at school? Time to find the reason for this - and its not just teenagerism.

16 is a bit early for giggle grass. I used to dabble as a student and while working in Durban. I turned out fine, but I was 21 when I first inhaled.

Me. I'd snoop a bit more discreetly, and depending on the level of the underlying causes, act. Maybe its as simple as ignoring the whole thing. Or smoking her stash. Then explaining what trouble she would be in if you catch her with it again. Or hiding it. Then baking spice cookies and telling her that you borrowed those spices she had in her room when your spice mix ran out.

My brother in law once walked into the house with a earring. His dad took one look at him, walked out of the room, and came back with pliers...
 
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demiurge said:
I don't understand what you mean.
You specifically asked "how many hard drug users do you know who didn't start on weed?"
I answered that I don't know any who started on weed (or actually all the users I know didn't start on weed).
You reply my logic is faulty

Did you want an exact number?
:wtf: :confused:
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Naah, I just made an assumption that by suggesting they started on coffee, you were saying the same thing as satanboy - who suggested they all started on boob. Didn't think you were seriously suggesting that coffee led to hardcore drug use.
 
copacetic said:
If there are 'gateway drugs', it is those, both freely available to purchase legally in our society.

The 'ladder' of drugs is the result of our social and legal constructs, there is very little (if any) evidence that shows there is a chemical path from one drug to the next.
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I'm sure substance abuse and dependence are linked... don't think I'm wrong there. From one to the other isn't the point, it's just one link in the abuse chain.
 
iaywtimnbe said:
Naah, I just made an assumption that by suggesting they started on coffee, you were saying the same thing as satanboy - who suggested they all started on boob. Didn't think you were seriously suggesting that coffee led to hardcore drug use.
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I'm not suggesting that at all - I'm answering your question and showing how ridiculous the suggestion that cannabis leads to hardcore drug use is.
 
Thank you everyone for your input. Met with mother yesterday. New furniture was bought for child's room and mother was transferring contents from one pedestal to the other. A pill box bearing the name of another child was among stuff in drawer. Pill box was actually stash.

There are a few technicalities that may or may not bear on the situation. One of these is the so-called invasion of privacy. In my house, you have my rules - not privacy - but that's another thing altogether. My personal feelings on weed may also be an issue. Both mother and myself have been known to partake.

We more or less have a strategy in place for The Confrontation which will take place later today but further input will of course be appreciated. I have cautiously avoided sharing my views in this thread because I accept that I may not be correct and would hate to lead conversation where what I require is input - from all points of view.

Again, thanks everyone.
 
iaywtimnbe said:
I'm sure substance abuse and dependence are linked...

don't think I'm wrong there.
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Are they not the same thing? :confused:

In any event, what does that have to do with your statement about weed being a gateway drug? :confused:

From one to the other isn't the point, it's just one link in the abuse chain.
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Again, 'one to the other' and 'abuse chain' sound like the same thing to me...

But fine, let's assume an 'abuse chain', for the sake of argument - Why does that chain exist, in your view?
 
GreGorGy said:
Thank you everyone for your input. Met with mother yesterday. New furniture was bought for child's room and mother was transferring contents from one pedestal to the other. A pill box bearing the name of another child was among stuff in drawer. Pill box was actually stash.

There are a few technicalities that may or may not bear on the situation. One of these is the so-called invasion of privacy. In my house, you have my rules - not privacy - but that's another thing altogether. My personal feelings on weed may also be an issue. Both mother and myself have been known to partake.

We more or less have a strategy in place for The Confrontation which will take place later today but further input will of course be appreciated. I have cautiously avoided sharing my views in this thread because I accept that I may not be correct and would hate to lead conversation where what I require is input - from all points of view.

Again, thanks everyone.
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To be a fly on the wall during that one...
Good luck.

PS. Not a good idea to respond to the classic 'I hate you. I wish I was never born' with 'Hmm. That can be arranged.'
 
noxibox said:
It fundamentally doesn't matter whether they ever smoked cannabis. It's simply a correlation. The order that people encounter drugs is merely coincidence.
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Coincidental perhaps, but certainly more kids are introduced to cannabis first. Smoking cannabis may not drive you to hard drugs directly - at least not as a result of the substance itself, but psychologically the user often has to cross a boundary from to one than the next. Desensitization occurs at each step. I don't think any sane person would argue that that's the case most of the time. The trouble with science is that it seeks to declare things in black and white all too often. The variables are just too many to take every factor into account.


Breaking rules has always been in vogue. No reason they'd get a criminal record either.
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Sure, but it's an odds game and depends on the rules you're breaking - who's they are.


So they work for themselves instead of some backward ass who won't give them a job because they happen to enjoy a politically incorrect drug.
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I'm totally for entrepreneurship. Bottom line is I'm responsible for who I hire and make those decisions... nothing they're going to do about it. Calling me an ass for my logic is pointless.
 
copacetic said:
Are they not the same thing? :confused:
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No. You can get pissed again and again without being dependent on alcohol... usually just out of stupidity. Many people do this one weekend after the next for little to no reason.
 
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