Weight loss

Well for not having had even one sniff of choccie this week I'm in a very good mood. I could just kiss someone :p
Must be pre-exam excitement...

By the way good luck to everyone writing!!
 
DJ... said:
My new keto-friendly midnight snack
Lettuce, tomato, jalapeno, cheese, sour cream, salt. Delicious...
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Nom nom. Funny how simple things can be so tasty :)

Sinbad said:
I'm back on track again. A couple of bad weekends really put a spanner in the works...
Does anyone else going ketogenic notice that their hair grows faster? When I'm eating properly I need to cut it every two weeks as opposed to every month when I'm off the wagon?
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No, I have to cut mine every 2 weeks anyway lol...

googoodoll said:
Ugh tell me about it... I'm losing fat on my flipping shoulders! My shoulders!!!!
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:wtf:
 
googoodoll said:
Or something.. My shoulders look a bit more boney... :confused:
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That's your body cannibalizing your muscles. That's what happens when your carbs are high... your body can't burn fat, so it turns your muscles into sugar.
 
DrewChan said:
Bull, what are you smoking this morning mister, find any support that says high carbs cause your body to eat muscle
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A calorie restricted low fat diet will cause more muscle deterioration than a low carb diet. If your insulin levels are high all the time your body cannot burn fat, and if you do not have the metabolic machinery in place to burn fat, then there's only one thing left - your muscles and internal organs.
 
mister said:
A calorie restricted low fat diet will cause more muscle deterioration than a low carb diet. If your insulin levels are high all the time your body cannot burn fat, and if you do not have the metabolic machinery in place to burn fat, then there's only one thing left - your muscles and internal organs.
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Or... I just had some fat there that I lost...
I lost back fat too :D yay!
 
mister said:
A calorie restricted low fat diet will cause more muscle deterioration than a low carb diet. If your insulin levels are high all the time your body cannot burn fat, and if you do not have the metabolic machinery in place to burn fat, then there's only one thing left - your muscles and internal organs.
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Not strictly true. If your insulin is high that's because you've got lots of glucose in your system, so no need to cannibalise your muscles.
Where you'll have a problem is with insufficient protein intake, in which case your body WILL cannibalise some muscle to repair others.
 
Sinbad said:
Not strictly true. If your insulin is high that's because you've got lots of glucose in your system, so no need to cannibalise your muscles.
Where you'll have a problem is with insufficient protein intake, in which case your body WILL cannibalise some muscle to repair others.
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+1
 
Sorry mister, I rephrased my message because It was a bit harsh, I just get annoyed when people post misinformation because other people may take it as truth and mess themselves up.
 
Sinbad said:
Not strictly true. If your insulin is high that's because you've got lots of glucose in your system, so no need to cannibalise your muscles.
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Yes I know not strictly true, but I was making the point that if you are eating carbs all the time you will not have the metabolic machinery in place to burn fat, and this is what makes muscle loss worse on a high carb diet. Many overweight people are insulin resistant which in itself accelerates muscle loss, and the entire thing just becomes a spiral downhill. You cannot burn fat efficiently until your fat burning machinery is in good working order. Once you have that in place, you can start playing games with your hormones to your advantage, and this includes periods of high carbs. (I said that last sentence to annoy you lol)
 
mister said:
Yes I know not strictly true, but I was making the point that if you are eating carbs all the time you will not have the metabolic machinery in place to burn fat, and this is what makes muscle loss worse on a high carb diet. Many overweight people are insulin resistant which in itself accelerates muscle loss, and the entire thing just becomes a spiral downhill. You cannot burn fat efficiently until your fat burning machinery is in good working order. Once you have that in place, you can start playing games with your hormones to your advantage, and this includes periods of high carbs. (I said that to annoy you ;)
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I am insulin resistant, I used to eat high carb low fat to try lose weight, I never had an issue with muscle mass loss. My lean mass is 73kg (1.76m) ...

And yeah, you can't burn fat properly until you drop the carbs, I agree 100%.
 
Sinbad said:
I am insulin resistant, I used to eat high carb low fat to try lose weight, I never had an issue with muscle mass loss. My lean mass is 73kg (1.76m) ...

And yeah, you can't burn fat properly until you drop the carbs, I agree 100%.
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Maybe it's hard to gauge muscle loss when you are overweight? Maybe you didn't lose any muscle at all? There are so many variables.... I know I lost muscle on a low fat, high carb diet. And it was VERY noticeable because I was only "skinny fat" to start with. I think the more overweight you are, the less of a problem these things are.
 
Carbs has NOTHING to do with muscle loss, you're just using it as a scare tactic to get people onto low carb :D

Low protein/starvation = heavy muscle loss.
 
DrewChan said:
Carbs has NOTHING to do with muscle loss, you're just using it as a scare tactic to get people onto low carb :D
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Maybe you should do some research... Carbs have EVERYTHING to do with muscle loss, as well as building muscle, and building fat stores.

In the beginning I said I don't really care what people do, as long as they are making progress. I don't care if you go low carb or not, I was just sharing my personal experience, and what I have learned.

PS: Today is my ultra high carb day lol :)
 
mister said:
Yes I know not strictly true, but I was making the point that if you are eating carbs all the time you will not have the metabolic machinery in place to burn fat, and this is what makes muscle loss worse on a high carb diet.
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First you say its not true - then you say having high fat makes muscle loss worse, I know a lot of high fat people that would crush most people, power lifters are often high fat and I guarantee they eat high carb
 
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