what is the big advantage with IOS over Android?

[Idiosyncratic]

Because every time I touch an Android device (or anything else for that matter) it seems utterly cumbersome and illogical in design.

I'm not going to repeat myself here again because I can make very very long lists about little things that just kill the entire experience for me and have me going back to Apple happily.

Cyanogen user here. And I have to say your words echo with my soul. Only problem is, I have the same feeling towards iOS and not Android

I basically feel like banging my head against a wall whenever I use an Apple device. Yes, iOS is, and will forever be more stable than Cyanogen OS (although I receive updates more frequently - take that Apple!), I'd take the freeedddoommm I experience when using it any day. A friend of mine that has an iPhone basically summed it up correctly - Cyanogen is almost the polar opposite of iOS.

I think at the end of the day, if you're into iPads, Apple TVs and what not, then you should begin as you intend to go on. If you're like me and into Linux etc, then a Cyanogen phone will make Android feel old fashioned and limited. For the average tech-savvy guy that likes tinkering but also wants reliability, I'd say Android is the best way to go. It helps knowing that if I upgrade (or down-grade) to a different phone (from a completely different manufacturer) I'll more than likely be comfortable with it from day 1.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Well that's why I'm using iOS also and have been for over a year now.

I used to enjoy Android specifically for the tinkering around, but eventually couldn't be bothered with working out why I was losing 10% over night or why the thing had endless wake locks. I confess that I'm a bit of a battery freak and spend my life forever checking what and why I'm losing % over the course of a day. With iOS, I just don't have that inclination because it's not set up for tinkering.

Oh, and I should mention iMessage. That's a large part of the reason I stick with iOS.

Wait does anything beyond Android 5 still not have a proper native battery usage tool?

WTF.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Cyanogen user here. And I have to say your words echo with my soul. Only problem is, I have the same feeling towards iOS and not Android

I basically feel like banging my head against a wall whenever I use an Apple device. Yes, iOS is, and will forever be more stable than Cyanogen OS (although I receive updates more frequently - take that Apple!), I'd take the freeedddoommm I experience when using it any day. A friend of mine that has an iPhone basically summed it up correctly - Cyanogen is almost the polar opposite of iOS.

I have never for a single day felt trapped inside iOS or "jailed" in any way.

Android "freedom" is completely overrated to me and directly leads to making it cumbersome.

I think at the end of the day, if you're into iPads, Apple TVs and what not, then you should begin as you intend to go on. If you're like me and into Linux etc, then a Cyanogen phone will make Android feel old fashioned and limited. For the average tech-savvy guy that likes tinkering but also wants reliability, I'd say Android is the best way to go. It helps knowing that if I upgrade (or down-grade) to a different phone (from a completely different manufacturer) I'll more than likely be comfortable with it from day 1.

Linux is my day job...

Which is also a bizarre thing to me because I don't know why Linux automatically equates to tinkering. You can use Linux every day and leave it well and truly alone without any tinkering required.

Which is why OSX is the best *nix Desktop out there.

 

[backstreetboy]

Wait does anything beyond Android 5 still not have a proper native battery usage tool?

WTF.

Yeah they took it out. :wtf:

 

[SauRoNZA]

Yeah they took it out. :wtf:

That's just cray cray.

I thought it had been there before but wasn't sure.

 

[Spizz]

Wait does anything beyond Android 5 still not have a proper native battery usage tool?

WTF.

I'm not sure i understand.

All I'm saying is, that as using an iPhone for my daily phone, I don't feel the need to check the battery stats and usage every 10 minutes to see what is waking up where.

For example, I unplugged my work Samsung Tab S2 from charge last night before bed, it's been sitting on flight mode ever since and it's down to 80% already. Now if that thing was mine it would drive me nuts, as it is I use it only for work a few times a day so I just plug in and use every night and don't bother with the stats like I did with my previous Android phones.

Actually, I have a Moto G2 sitting beside me now which is on perma-charge, it's on Android 6 with a number I use infrequently, and I can't even remember where to look for battery stats.

I guess iOS has cured my OCD type battery drain obsession and I'm happy about it.

 

[SauRoNZA]

I'm not sure i understand.

All I'm saying is, that as using an iPhone for my daily phone, I don't feel the need to check the battery stats and usage every 10 minutes to see what is waking up where.

For example, I unplugged my work Samsung Tab S2 from charge last night before bed, it's been sitting on flight mode ever since and it's down to 80% already. Now if that thing was mine it would drive me nuts, as it is I use it only for work a few times a day so I just plug in and use every night and don't bother with the stats like I did with my previous Android phones.

Actually, I have a Moto G2 sitting beside me now which is on perma-charge, it's on Android 6 with a number I use infrequently, and I can't even remember where to look for battery stats.

I guess iOS has cured my OCD type battery drain obsession and I'm happy about it.

Android 5 which is what I have immediate access to now doesn't have any battery monitoring like iOS does.

So you have literally no idea where the battery goes.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Guys what's wrong with you all? This is eg2505..."Mr Questions". You asked 1 Q & he throws 10 back...

questions rule my life, if you dont ask, you wont get a answer,
I heeded that advice my entire life,

 

[Spizz]

Android 5 which is what I have immediate access to now doesn't have any battery monitoring like iOS does.

So you have literally no idea where the battery goes.

Oh right, shows the last time I looked

I was a bit obsessed before with my previous phones. Which when you consider it included galaxy 2,3,4,5, note, sony z3 and Nexus 4 and 5, then you'll see why I'm happy to be over it

 

[noxibox]

For me one advantage is that the software I want to use either exists only on iOS or what exists on iOS is of a much higher standard. In addition to this the Play Store's compatibility checking is unreliable. Another is that there is consistency, whereas every clown that puts out an Android device is given free rein to make their version so different you can barely tell they're using the same operating system. Then there is the tendency for manufacturers of Android devices to abandon them as soon as they release a new model (Windows laptops suffer from the same problem). And finally there is the total lack of a standard full, reliable tool to back up and restore the device in its entirety, while with an Apple product I can back it up, connect a new model, restore and it's ready to go.

It's completely ludicrous that a family member can come to me for help with an Android device ostensibly running the same version as an Android device I own, and I'm not able to immediately help them because I have to figure out the differences in the way each manufacturer has decided to butcher the underlying system. It is insane that when someone buys a new Android device they have to sit there manually installing and configuring their apps because there is no standard mechanism to move absolutely everything from an older device to a newer one.

Then there is the utter stupidity of the way Android handles SD cards. Just make it part of the available storage and don't give app developers any control over where their app or data goes. So much for the notion that Android gives me control.

On the other hand its long overdue for Apple to provide a more sophisticated interface. And of course sometimes they do totally stupid things, like removing the headphone jack.

things like you have to use itunes for your music, no way to just copy it onto a folder and play it,
does have its advantages, (not for me though)

I consider being able to decide what I want on each device, then simply hitting Sync to be an advantage on Apple’s side.

used to androids simplicity, that things go where you expect them to go, where is the folders where things are stored?

Or from a different perspective it’s lack of simplicity.

iOS I am annoyed at the fact that you can't log in with 2/3 accounts at the same time, this makes updating apps a hassle.

On the other hand I found it much easier to bypass Apple’s region restrictions.

It helps knowing that if I upgrade (or down-grade) to a different phone (from a completely different manufacturer) I'll more than likely be comfortable with it from day 1.

And that's something you specifically don't get with Android as it comes on the devices out of the box. I consider this one of Android's major weaknesses.

I think people who use iOS are either too afraid to take the leap to Android, or they're too lazy to learn a slightly different system, or they just want to be seen as rich.

There seem to be plenty of people who use Android purely because they hate Apple or they want to appear 'techie'.

but if you not scared of options and settings, and fiddling, like most IT people are, then android is the better choice?

All the whining about Windows 8 proves that is not the case.

Bonus: iOS only now in late 2016 brought out night mode? You have to be kidding me, Apple/iOS talk about "innovative" but half their claims have been on Android yonks ago.

And how many versions has it taken Google to start providing proper backup tools and proper handling of added storage? In fact what standard tool does Google provide that can backup any Android device currently in use, then restore it to another such that it is completely seamless to the user?

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Cyanogen user here. And I have to say your words echo with my soul. Only problem is, I have the same feeling towards iOS and not Android

I basically feel like banging my head against a wall whenever I use an Apple device. Yes, iOS is, and will forever be more stable than Cyanogen OS (although I receive updates more frequently - take that Apple!), I'd take the freeedddoommm I experience when using it any day. A friend of mine that has an iPhone basically summed it up correctly - Cyanogen is almost the polar opposite of iOS.

I think at the end of the day, if you're into iPads, Apple TVs and what not, then you should begin as you intend to go on. If you're like me and into Linux etc, then a Cyanogen phone will make Android feel old fashioned and limited. For the average tech-savvy guy that likes tinkering but also wants reliability, I'd say Android is the best way to go. It helps knowing that if I upgrade (or down-grade) to a different phone (from a completely different manufacturer) I'll more than likely be comfortable with it from day 1.

yip used Cyanogen on my previous phone, Galaxy pocket,
worked very well,

my new phone I havent found a ROM for it (innjoo fire), but will explore that when the times comes,
I did love CM a lot.

as for IOS, if you enjoy it, good for you, I personally dont see the whole idea with it, its like being locked in a straightjacket
or as my other IOS hating friend put it to me;

 

[CAPS LOCK]

Allow me to retort.

The operating system that suits your very needs mostly, is the best one.

A question, such as OP's, will never, and cannot ever, be answered properly and fully.

A farmer will never need to ask what big advantages a tractor has over a land rover. Why, because he already knows what he needs. Neither will a mature land rover enthusiast try convince him otherwise.

A person who asks the 'question', in this day and age, is not genuinely interested in the answer, but interested only in soliciting the troops of drunken fanboys and their delusional defence of the keep.

Not intending to discourage this feverish debate - because I - too - am very amused and entertained by this lively thread.

As you were

 

[FiestaST]

questions rule my life, if you dont ask, you wont get a answer,
I heeded that advice my entire life,

Yeah but it's a very thin line between asking many many questions for the purpose of learning vs trolling/stirring up arguments

 

[SauRoNZA]

Oh right, shows the last time I looked

I was a bit obsessed before with my previous phones. Which when you consider it included galaxy 2,3,4,5, note, sony z3 and Nexus 4 and 5, then you'll see why I'm happy to be over it

Ja it's like the Android obsession to close Apps.

 

[Idiosyncratic]

I have never for a single day felt trapped inside iOS or "jailed" in any way.

Android "freedom" is completely overrated to me and directly leads to making it cumbersome.



Linux is my day job...

Which is also a bizarre thing to me because I don't know why Linux automatically equates to tinkering. You can use Linux every day and leave it well and truly alone without any tinkering required.

Which is why OSX is the best *nix Desktop out there.

Oh I don't know, maybe it's best Linux users are usually more tech-savvy and tinker around more?

.....I'm sticking my neck out by saying this, but here goes nuffin - I'd rather use a PC with Windows 10 than a Mac. And this is coming from a GNOME guy who is privacy-conscious.
/goes into hiding far far away

 

[backstreetboy]

For me one advantage is that the software I want to use either exists only on iOS or what exists on iOS is of a much higher standard. In addition to this the Play Store's compatibility checking is unreliable. Another is that there is consistency, whereas every clown that puts out an Android device is given free rein to make their version so different you can barely tell they're using the same operating system. Then there is the tendency for manufacturers of Android devices to abandon them as soon as they release a new model (Windows laptops suffer from the same problem). And finally there is the total lack of a standard full, reliable tool to back up and restore the device in its entirety, while with an Apple product I can back it up, connect a new model, restore and it's ready to go.

It's completely ludicrous that a family member can come to me for help with an Android device ostensibly running the same version as an Android device I own, and I'm not able to immediately help them because I have to figure out the differences in the way each manufacturer has decided to butcher the underlying system. It is insane that when someone buys a new Android device they have to sit there manually installing and configuring their apps because there is no standard mechanism to move absolutely everything from an older device to a newer one.

Then there is the utter stupidity of the way Android handles SD cards. Just make it part of the available storage and don't give app developers any control over where their app or data goes. So much for the notion that Android gives me control.

On the other hand its long overdue for Apple to provide a more sophisticated interface. And of course sometimes they do totally stupid things, like removing the headphone jack.


I consider being able to decide what I want on each device, then simply hitting Sync to be an advantage on Apple’s side.


Or from a different perspective it’s lack of simplicity.


On the other hand I found it much easier to bypass Apple’s region restrictions.


And that's something you specifically don't get with Android as it comes on the devices out of the box. I consider this one of Android's major weaknesses.


There seem to be plenty of people who use Android purely because they hate Apple or they want to appear 'techie'.


All the whining about Windows 8 proves that is not the case.


And how many versions has it taken Google to start providing proper backup tools and proper handling of added storage? In fact what standard tool does Google provide that can backup any Android device currently in use, then restore it to another such that it is completely seamless to the user?

Nice wall of text there. tldr.

 

[bwana]

or as my other IOS hating friend put it to me;
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choise?

 

[SauRoNZA]

Oh I don't know, maybe it's best Linux users are usually more tech-savvy and tinker around more?

.....I'm sticking my neck out by saying this, but here goes nuffin - I'd rather use a PC with Windows 10 than a Mac. And this is coming from a GNOME guy who is privacy-conscious.
/goes into hiding far far away

He he.

That was sort of my point though, Linux as a Desktop/Workstation is garbage and far behind the curve.

So if you must do *nix as a desktop...then use MacOS / OSX.


Servers are a whole different story and there *nix rules supreme.


I was also pointing out that just because someone uses Linux you make a massive assumption that they like to tinker more. Just because it's not the defacto standard doesn't mean they prefer to tinker. They might just be so disillusioned with Windows that they are forced to tinker.

 

[Kerrits]

Because every time I touch an Android device (or anything else for that matter) it seems utterly cumbersome and illogical in design.

I'm not going to repeat myself here again because I can make very very long lists about little things that just kill the entire experience for me and have me going back to Apple happily.

Closest thing to iOS was Windows Phone for all the same "locked down" reasons in reality.

And yes Hamster's joke about the ecosystem is exactly it. I used to run a Macbook Pro + iPad + iPhone and it was beautiful.

Then I changed jobs and just switching to a Windows laptop broke my entire life. I then toyed with a Lumia for a few months and that made it even worse because as much as I dislike Android I use Google Services extensively and there are none on Windows Phone.

When I recently won that Android tablet I couldn't find one reason that I would want to keep using it over my iPad...but I could find many reasons why NOT and that has largely got to do with the entire ecosystem.


That being said I'm a pretty much ALL IN guys with Apple stuff and that's when it really shines. If you have only one singular Apple device then it's not as apparent.

The interplay between my Apple TV, iPad and iPhone really is a case of "it just works". At the same time it means nothing else works with it.

I actually found iOS' design illogical when I first used it. Lets put the back button in apps at the furthest possible point from the thumb! I may have been OK on the smaller phones, but on the 6 and 6 plus it's just annoying. Windows phone is actually the most "correct" in terms of this. As a general UX design rule, it's bottom left for back/cancel, and bottom right for forward/next/submit.

I most cases if you are used to where/how things are done in one OS, the other will always feel strange.

 

[SauRoNZA]

I actually found iOS' design illogical when I first used it. Lets put the back button in apps at the furthest possible point from the thumb! I may have been OK on the smaller phones, but on the 6 and 6 plus it's just annoying. Windows phone is actually the most "correct" in terms of this. As a general UX design rule, it's bottom left for back/cancel, and bottom right for forward/next/submit.

I most cases if you are used to where/how things are done in one OS, the other will always feel strange.

Yeah but remember there wasn't a Back button before that so it's a bit of hack job and I do agree with you.

But that's one small drop in the ocean.

I never understood the moans about the lack of back button until I had the Lumia and then Apple introduced it shortly after.

It's not perfect, but overall the logic makes more sense to me.

Android with software buttons or icons moving when you change orientation drives me up the wall.

Thing is I came from a background of many years of Apple logic long before the iPhone even existed and just slotted right into it when it did.

Android being the new kid on the block has never managed to grab or convince me otherwise and I consider myself very open minded.

Windows Phone is awesome like you say. But it's the non-OS things that drove me crazy there with the lack of support.