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What whites must do
2010-04-09 16:31:42
Political commentator Lebohang Pheko, the daughter of former PAC president Motsoko Pheko, had a run-in with Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging (AWB) spokesman Andre Visagie on TV this week. We asked her:

Q: The AWB's leader was murdered. Is their anger understandable?

A: It certainly is, in terms of their own attachment to him, in the way any of us view our leaders we hold dear. But their language of revenge, of blood on the streets, is going too far.

Q: If farmers believe they're under attack, why can't they legitimately focus on that?

A: They're within a context - the general malaise in terms of labour relations between farmers and farm workers is not unique to the AWB. Power has been in the hands of a white minority, including on farms, and the role of farm workers has been chattel, cheap labour, and it's not changing. There is a lack of self-recognition of the damage done by poor labour rights, dehumanising treatment of farm workers over centuries. This self-centredness doesn't see any pain other than their own.

Q: What do you think of President Jacob Zuma's leadership during this time?

A: In recent months he has made two recent visits to so-called white squatter camps, when there are black people suffering just as much in black townships nearby. Why is he so much more concerned with white poverty? It's bizarre.

Q: Do the majority of black citizens still believe the ANC is the best party to change their lives?

A: The polls tell us one thing, but the level of unhappiness tells us another - the strikes, service delivery protests, union stand-offs...

Q: Why don't people vote differently?

A: Maybe because of the lack of voter education. Maybe the propaganda machine that has presented the ANC as "the" liberation movement. The manner in which election funding is distributed makes it easy for larger parties to be more visible.

Q: Back to farms: you've said you want the willing buyer/willing seller formula scrapped?

A: It must be. It's a terrible thing. Where was the willing buyer/willing seller when this land was stolen from the indigenous people?

Q: Do you think that the Zimbabwean model is a good model to follow?

A: It's an understandable model, it could have been done better but the principle is right. This is what happens when the small minority is not willing to surrender its benefits, and do not engage nationhood.

Q: You think farmers should be part of the nation, but should be willing to have their farms taken away.

A: They should be willing to give appropriate restitution - not only white farmers, but white capital. There must be justice and reconciliation, not only truth and reconciliation. The minority still have the same lives - the large houses, the two maids... African people are poorer than before 1994, and the white population are better off.

Q: Would you like land rights in the constitution to be scrapped or amended?

A: They must be amended. It's a great betrayal of our time.

Q: Just farms, or residential areas too?

A: Land is land. The principle is that the land which was taken since 1652, it must be given back.

Q: There may not be enough Khoisan descendants to give the Western Cape back to.

A: It's not just the Khoisan, but all African persons must have a far greater stake in all this land.

Q: How would you propose all white-owned properties be distributed?

A: I think we need to avoid a numbers game. You'd have to do scientific studies of every kind, to ensure that once we have access to this land, it is used efficiently.

Q: Are white land owners on borrowed time?

A: They should think of themselves as being extremely fortunate. The Kempton Park settlement was easy on them. Their entitlements were grabbed, often illegally.

http://www.capeargus.co.za/?fSectionId=3571&fArticleId=5423098&ap=1

Ready to hand over your property?

They need it for more bling... http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article393851.ece/Govt-squandered-over-R1bn-on-bling--DA

Zuma calls for end to sanctions
South African President Jacob Zuma on Friday renewed his call for Western sanctions against Mugabe's regime to be lifted during a visit to Uganda.

Speaking at a joint press conference with Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni at the close of a two-day state visit, Zuma argued the sanctions created an imbalance in Zimbabwe's national unity government.

"One part of the government, which is the MDC, is functioning at full strength because they can travel abroad and mobilise while the other side cannot operate effectively because of restrictions, therefore these sanctions are an impediment," Zuma said.

Govt fails to make headway
Both the European Union and the United States maintain a travel ban and asset freeze on Mugabe, his wife and inner circle in protest at disputed 2008 elections and alleged human rights abuses by his government.

"Zanu-PF has raised these issues that the sanctions are not allowing the unity government to operate at its full strength," Zuma argued.

"If sanctions are lifted we can make faster progress," he added.

http://www.mg.co.za/article/2010-03-27-zim-finance-minister-says-media-reform-on-cards

Their audacity never ceases to amaze me...

 

[francoislr]

Well, let's put it this way...many say it's mostly white people who pay tax, so as long as we pay for the bling we can stay....but yeah, not gonna be able to sustain that forever:-l

 

[Moederloos]

It always come down to that one point - WHO did we steal it from? The Xhosa, the Zulu, the Khoisan, the ..... ?

Should I give my house to a Zulu because in 1723 my great great .... great grandfather "stole" it from a Khoisan?

Are the Zulu's going to give back the cattle Shaka stole from the Xhosa?
Are the American's going to give Manhattan back to the native Americans?
Should Auckland be given back to the Aborigines?
Who actually "owns" Berlin? London? Montreal?

**** this **** now - the people who had the land "stolen" from them have been dead for over 300 years - we are all born LONG after that.
99% of us worked for the property we now own - my daddy did not give me an ancestral house, any more than Thabo's.

 

[CorneN]

now - the people who had the land "stolen" from them have been dead for over 300 years - we are all born LONG after that.

That is why the current land distrobution process of the government buying land from farmers and giving it to previously disadvadtaged people is better suited. Mr white farmer does not get screwed too much and Mr black farmer gets his land.

The only person that loses is Mr taxpayer, but he does not worry to much about it because THAT is one of the ways that white people contribute to equality in ownership of property.

I'd just love to see the white farmers, asked to sell their lands, be appointed as mentors for the new owners. 90% of black owned farms are failing because of a lack in knowledge.

 

[LancelotSA]

Ready to hand over your property?

They need it for more bling... http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article393851.ece/Govt-squandered-over-R1bn-on-bling--DA

You guys just love stirring sh_t and scaremongering don't you? That is a bloody interview with the daughter of a former PAC leader. She does not run the country yet the story is presented as if what she says is written into law

 

[Moederloos]

You guys just love stirring sh_t and scaremongering don't you? That is a bloody interview with the daughter of a former PAC leader. She does not run the country, yet the story is presented as if what she says is written into law

You guys just love stirring sh_t and scaremongering don't you? That is a bloody interview with the daughter of a former PAC leader. She does not run the country yet, the story is presented as if what she says is written into law

Where should the comma go?


Anyways, this would be a non-story if it was not for Malema spouting Zim-talk.

 

[Milano]

They should just introduce an additional tax for all taxpayers with assets/salaries over x amount. Say R100 000 extra per year per taxpayer to be administered by an independent body for poverty relief.

 

[Ricard]

It always come down to that one point - WHO did we steal it from? The Xhosa, the Zulu, the Khoisan, the ..... ?

Should I give my house to a Zulu because in 1723 my great great .... great grandfather "stole" it from a Khoisan?

Are the Zulu's going to give back the cattle Shaka stole from the Xhosa?
Are the American's going to give Manhattan back to the native Americans?
Should Auckland be given back to the Aborigines?
Who actually "owns" Berlin? London? Montreal?

**** this **** now - the people who had the land "stolen" from them have been dead for over 300 years - we are all born LONG after that.
99% of us worked for the property we now own - my daddy did not give me an ancestral house, any more than Thabo's.

This is the Age-Old Question. The Settlers have documents stating the land was 'Traded' in a fair sale in a majority of the cases, but the African inhabitants conveniently lost the receipts. How do you prove anything to a nation that used stick-animal drawings as documentation. The only record keeping system was an old man sangoma who adds his spin on the original story and conveniently leaves out half the tale.

 

[waynegohl]

has anyone ever asked to have the land the Castle stands on handed back or the Houses of Parliament or the park down the road where the children play or the dump site down the road or is it only residential or industrial areas?

 

[Milano]

has anyone ever asked to have the land the Castle stands on handed back or the Houses of Parliament or the park down the road where the children play or the dump site down the road or is it only residential or industrial areas?

Different rules for national and local government.

 

[THEX]

Shouldnt Australia be given back to the abo's, Shouldnt America be given back to the Indians. The answer is no, because if you infiltrate a country and take all the land for yourself the people of the land have two choices, either give the land or fight for the land. This holds true for all history, do people think when Alexander the Great conquered they could tell him they were there first, he would say fine and then kill them. Not that everything should end in violence but lets face it we didnt steal the land we took it by force. And im not talking about apartheid here im talking about the wars that had to be fought to get the land. In 1994 the whites said fine we are not going to live in apartheid anymore and make it a place for everyone to live as equals. If anyone in South Africa(black, white, brown or whatever color) wants land he has to BUY it(if its up for sale) otherwise he is declaring "war". Our goverment wants to make a clear distinction between black and white it seems, and clearly doesnt want a united South Africa, a place for all races to live in equality.

 

[CorneN]

They should just introduce an additional tax for all taxpayers with assets/salaries over x amount. Say R100 000 extra per year per taxpayer to be administered by an independent body for poverty relief.

Yes, thank you! Just make me the +R100 earner cough up even more...

 

[pobox4701]

: They should be willing to give appropriate restitution - not only white farmers, but white capital. There must be justice and reconciliation, not only truth and reconciliation. The minority still have the same lives - the large houses, the two maids... African people are poorer than before 1994, and the white population are better off.

What percentage of South Africans have 2 maids?

 

[Milano]

Yes, thank you! Just make me the +R100 earner cough up even more...

The alternative is to ignore the massive poverty and pretend it will go away quietly. This will lead to a much harsher punishment down the line in terms of property seizures, civil strife, etc. Think of it as an investment in a better future for all including yourself.

 

[Palimino]

It always come down to that one point - WHO did we steal it from? The Xhosa, the Zulu, the Khoisan, the ..... ?

My house is built in an area which was virgin bush in the 1940’s. It wasn’t ‘stolen’. I have never found any artifacts of an earlier people. So, there are no ownership claims. I am disadvantaged. Who do I give it to?

 

[Palimino]

It always come down to that one point - WHO did we steal it from? The Xhosa, the Zulu, the Khoisan, the ..... ?

My house is built in an area which was virgin bush in the 1940’s. It wasn’t ‘stolen’. I have never found any artifacts of an earlier people. So, there are no ownership claims. I am disadvantaged. Who do I give it to?

 

[Milano]

So there are around 5 million tax payers in SA (individuals? excludes companies?). Let's say 500 000 meet the threshold to pay R100 000 special tax each year. What would that be? R50 billion rand per year to alleviate poverty. Say, for 5 years or 10 years. All funds to go to an independent poverty relief organisation independently audited by a large auditing firm. Would they be sufficient to make a dent on poverty?

 

[CorneN]

So there are around 5 million tax payers in SA (individuals? excludes companies?). Let's say 500 000 meet the threshold to pay R100 000 special tax each year. What would that be? R50 billion rand per year to alleviate poverty. Say, for 5 years or 10 years. All funds to go to an independent poverty relief organisation independently audited by a large auditing firm. Would they be sufficient to make a dent on poverty?

Dude, it's clear you are not a supertax bracket. Do you really think people will love paying even more tax?

 

[Milano]

Dude, it's clear you are not a supertax bracket. Do you really think people will love paying even more tax?

Don't know how you reach that conclusion. I will be happy to pay it for a better future for all. There must be others in my income bracket who are happy to pay it?

 

[snail]

I think you are on your own on this 1...i dont want 2 pay more tax