Where is all the bandwidth

Yup seacom have failed SA or SA have failed seacom.

Hopefully they will do something soon and not take a year because damn they went live 2 months ago!!!!!!!!!!!

That is 2 months!!!!!!!!!!!!! not 2 days but 2 flippin months!!!!!!!!!!

Gary stick this in your pipe and smoke it. http://www.seacom.mu/news/pdf_articles/TTCL PRESS RELEASE 3RD OCT 2009-1.pdf

5 days man!!!!!!!!!!! It took them 5 days to go live and drop prices, 2 months later we still wondering. Yea things take time in Good ol SA for sure.
 
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metalcore said:
They want to cut cellphone costs, why can't government also force a cut in broadband costs which is more important right now than cheaper cell phone calls.
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bECAUSE THEY PRIVATELY AND COLLECTIVELY OWN THE MAJORITY OF SHARES IN THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS MARKET. wHY WOULD THEY SLAUGHTER THE CASH COW?

(Damn the stuck capslock)
 
 
So tanzania can go live in 5 days and we cannot even get a date as to when seacom will go live in SA.

Yea gary good that you are optimistic man cause that just makes me think it could be another 6-12 months and who knows if they ever actually land.

5 days!!!!!! That is amazing.
 
metalcore said:
They want to cut cellphone costs, why can't government also force a cut in broadband costs which is more important right now than cheaper cell phone calls.
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Dude, if you think that broadband is more important than cell charges in this country, then you are living in an even bigger CloudCuckooland than most of us.

Internet is something that most of this country doesn't even spare a daily thought about, cellphones on the other hand have almost become 2nd nature to anyone with almost any type of employment.
 
nexxus said:
Dude, if you think that broadband is more important than cell charges in this country, then you are living in an even bigger CloudCuckooland than most of us.

Internet is something that most of this country doesn't even spare a daily thought about, cellphones on the other hand have almost become 2nd nature to anyone with almost any type of employment.
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I think he was referring more to the effect it would have on our competitiveness as an economy. Not how it will affect the man on the street.
 
killadoob said:
So tanzania can go live in 5 days and we cannot even get a date as to when seacom will go live in SA.

Yea gary good that you are optimistic man cause that just makes me think it could be another 6-12 months and who knows if they ever actually land.

5 days!!!!!! That is amazing.
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Um, Seacom is already live in South Africa. They went live in July. :rolleyes: Do you actually know anything about this topic? You debate it so vehemently and yet you know so little about it.

If you want to blame anybody, blame the ISPs for their slow take up.... and Telkom for their high IPConnect rates. It's not Seacom's fault.
 
Did you read my link in that country they are using the bandwidth, meaning there is a company actually reselling SEACOM BANDWIDTH.

Sorry who is using/reselling seacom bandwidth in this country? Nobody. So what is your point again?

I do not care who's fault it is, you keep saying seacom is changing broadband prices but nobody is even using them in this country, so regardless of why the fact remains seacom had not started selling bandwidth in this country.
 
killadoob said:
Did you read my link in that country they are using the bandwidth, meaning there is a company actually reselling SEACOM BANDWIDTH.

Sorry who is using/reselling seacom bandwidth in this country? Nobody. So what is your point again?

I do not care who's fault it is, you keep saying seacom is changing broadband prices but nobody is even using them in this country, so regardless of why the fact remains seacom had not started selling bandwidth in this country.
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What Gary is saying (and personally I agree with him) is that the mere presence and possibility of competition has got Telkom pushing prices down in anticipation of SEACOM. So SEACOM is indirectly responsible for a reduction in prices.

Are you saying that the threat of competition does not reduce prices?

To put it in language that the kids will understand:
Would a Nokia smartphone be the price it currently is if no one else made competing smartphones? or would it be more expensive?

Regardless of whether or not anyone is currently using SEACOM, the established players view it as a threat and have responded accordingly by bringing prices down.

It isn't really that hard to comprehend.

Unless of course your argument hinges on the idea that the fall in prices (after more than a decade of steadily increasing) that has recently occurred, and the arrival of SEACOM are merely two unrelated events happening at the same time? In which case you are more than welcome to your opinion, but that is a mighty big coincidence.
 
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killadoob said:
Did you read my link in that country they are using the bandwidth, meaning there is a company actually reselling SEACOM BANDWIDTH.
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Um, actually the article says nothing about Seacom whatsoever. I don't even see the word Seacom mentioned in there. But even assuming that they are talking about Seacom means nothing. One tiny little ISP connecting on the coast of Tanzania cannot compare to the several million ADSL users in South Africa. They have nowhere near the level of sophistication or regulation and interconnection that we have in SA. The fact that you have not taken that into account further betrays your ignorance on this subject. One little photocopied article in PDF format is not really much to speak of.

killadoob said:
Sorry who is using/reselling seacom bandwidth in this country? Nobody. So what is your point again?
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There are actually quite a few Providers who are getting ready to provide Seacom bandwidth, not least WebAfrica who recently gave away 10 Gigs free in a trial to thousands of users in SA in anticipation of their upcoming launch. Sorry, that wasn't a price reduction... that was just 10 Gigs free bandiwdth. :D

killadoob said:
I do not care who's fault it is, you keep saying seacom is changing broadband prices but nobody is even using them in this country, so regardless of why the fact remains seacom had not started selling bandwidth in this country.
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Seacom is already having an influence on pricing by the mere threat of competition alone. I already proved that to you by quoting a Telkom spokesperson who stated that was so. What you are talking about is consumer bandwidth which is just a small piece of the pie compare to massive corporate bandwidth consumption. Consumer pricing will still come down even more. That I believe will happen in time. And I am quite content to wait for it to happen.

And no matter how much you bleat and fuss and how many tantrums you throw, you are not going to make it happen any faster. But it will happen.

Let's re-visit this thread in six months and then in 12 months and compare notes then. No more point in fussing about it now. I'm out.
 
Rouxenator said:
Seacom has had no effect for the majority of internet users in SA.
The bulk of them are wireless.
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To Gary & I am Penguin: For reasons of schooling/availability, majority prefer wireless to ADSL, because phone lines are subjects of stealing.

Don't you want to fail your project/assignment due to mere theft of phone lines if you was a learner? And it is known that Telkom won't replace it fast and your teachers won't believe your excuse that your phone lines have been stolen (and there is no internet/information resource that describes where phone lines get stripped).
Even in some universities they give/accept assignments via internet.

So, ADSL is kind of high-end internet and education don't need 4Mbit lines for a text and Word/PDF files... So, ADSL is a "want" and must be put last onto list when searching for new house.

To Rouxenator: Wireless users have to take their Omni Antennas and Modems into their teeth and carry on as usually. No plan for price drops is coming.
 
bandwidth

i sent a message to miffyzoo (a new member) who came back from germany- i asked him what he paid & what he received ther.
this is real internet:




;-)

ok... so why should I be the only one to feel miserable...

I had a uncapped, unshaped account with a telephone (to German landlines) & internet flatrate.
I had no contract (it was on a month to month basis).
Speed: download up to 16.000 Kbit/s
Upload up to 1024 Kbit/s

No need of a telkom dsl line, all was included in this package. I even was able to transfer my "old" telkom number to them after i quit my telkom contract.

Costs per month: 19.99 Euro >> a bit less than R200 per month

can you now imagine how it feels to leave this behind and be confronted with these prices here?
:-(
 
Yes, I understand how it is sad to go back to worst, its like changing Duo Core to Pentium III.
Welcome to South Africa. Your land line provider is...
 
Garyvdh said:
It is sustainable for me as long as I remain a customer :D

boo hoo for you if you never took them up on the offer.
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I didn't take up the offer because I have better already. I did something about it by aggregating my local loop and providing a shared wireless service for 60 other people offering uncapped adsl @ R100/month. Sure we share a 1Mb line but we don't all pay Telkom R250 for a piece of copper. Its a very small step but makes me proud to know we are saving people money and stopping Telkom charging our contributors R15,000/month for copper.
That said, Im sure prices for consumers will come down in the next few years...
 
Tommygun said:
I didn't take up the offer because I have better already. I did something about it by aggregating my local loop and providing a shared wireless service for 60 other people offering uncapped adsl @ R100/month. Sure we share a 1Mb line but we don't all pay Telkom R250 for a piece of copper. Its a very small step but makes me proud to know we are saving people money and stopping Telkom charging our contributors R15,000/month for copper.
That said, Im sure prices for consumers will come down in the next few years...
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Could you elaborate on this. I thought there were laws and regulations preventing this but I'd like to give it a try if it's plausible. Also, could you clarify 1Mb is that a megabyte (8000kb/s) or a megabit (1000kb/s). If the former, where did you get an 8meg line and how reliable is it?
 
Garyvdh said:
The landscape is already VERY different to what it was before Seacom went live. And it will continue to get better throughout the next year.

Anybody who denies that is a fool.

If you are not paying less for your bandwidth than you were six months ago, you only have yourself to blame.
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So true hey?:p:rolleyes:
 
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