Where is all the bandwidth

But the cost of the local loop has **** all to do with the cost of a Gig. This is a poor argument to excuse the high price of caps.
 
I am quite happy with R29 per Gig from Afrihost... and it may not be Seacom bandwidth (yet)... but it is certainly better than where we were 6 months ago.

Boo Hoo to those who said there would be no price drops. What do you say now?

And in another 12 months things will be even better. I can afford to wait. I am tired of being pessimistic.

The last three months have been great! Kudos to G-connect, OpenWeb, WebAfrica and Afrihost, Social Flu and others that have been willing to enter the war on pricing. These guys deserve our support.
 
Also, can we realistically expect a broadband connection to cost less than R200 a month? That is only US$28.

(I am proposing this as an absolute minimum viable price, even if for this money you could get 8Mbps uncapped)
 
I'm just wondering here, I forget the answer. Do ISP's buy throughput capacity, or actual bandwidth usage? From my limited knowledge I don't get it. SEACOM (for instance) is selling thrpoughput capacity at R xxxxx.xxx / meg/sec, Telkom has just advertised that 155meg/sec service (for an insane amount of money), but nowhere do I see them selling per gig used. So why then is it that we as consumers are still trapped with per gig price models and pathetic caps? Are the ISP's really making a loss if they sell 1gig for R29.00 ?
 
Balstrome said:
Anyone seriously expect anything different?
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The landscape is already VERY different to what it was before Seacom went live. And it will continue to get better throughout the next year.

Anybody who denies that is a fool.

If you are not paying less for your bandwidth than you were six months ago, you only have yourself to blame.
 
Garyvdh said:
The landscape is already VERY different to what it was before Seacom went live. And it will continue to get better throughout the next year.

Anybody who denies that is a fool.

If you are not paying less for your bandwidth than you were six months ago, you only have yourself to blame.
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+1
 
No it is not, what has changed since seacom launched?

Even if seacom did not launch the pricing would be the same, seacom has been a huge waste of time and hope in my opinion.

Seacom has not had any effect on prices that we see now. Prices may be lower like afrihost but that has nothing to do with seacom, when i see true uncapped for 500 bucks then things have changed, when i see a gb of bandwidth for 10 bucks then things have changed.

Not that i mind i get loads of bandwidth for cheap but seacom has changed nothing.
 
MFour said:
So why then is it that we as consumers are still trapped with per gig price models and pathetic caps? Are the ISP's really making a loss if they sell 1gig for R29.00 ?
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Flipping good question
 
Every time the next "saviour of SA broadband" comes around, articles like these always points to the next "savior of SA broadband". It was originaly said that Seacom will make broadband cheaper, now it is said that the actual thing that will do this is LLU. Well, what will it be next? Its always something else? We are always waiting for the "next thing". Its talk like this (no offence to the writer of the article) that shows me that my absolute lack of faith in SAs broadband arena is completely justified.
 
killadoob said:
No it is not, what has changed since seacom launched?

Even if seacom did not launch the pricing would be the same, seacom has been a huge waste of time and hope in my opinion.

Seacom has not had any effect on prices that we see now. Prices may be lower like afrihost but that has nothing to do with seacom, when i see true uncapped for 500 bucks then things have changed, when i see a gb of bandwidth for 10 bucks then things have changed.

Not that i mind i get loads of bandwidth for cheap but seacom has changed nothing.
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Typical South African whining. Like I said... if you are not enjoying the new lower prices you only have yourself to blame.

Who gives a rat's tushie about Seacom and this article. all I care about is R29 per Gig... and who will be the next ISP to beat that.
 
btw, who is to say that Telkom bumping up the SAT3 cable and lowering the prices on that was not in response to the Seacom cable? You don't know that. so maybe Telkom's actions ARE because of Seacom.

If they were gonna do it anyway, then great! (although I can't really see that happening), but if they did it because of Seacom, then Yay for Seacom.
 
Garyvdh said:
The landscape is already VERY different to what it was before Seacom went live. And it will continue to get better throughout the next year.

Anybody who denies that is a fool.

If you are not paying less for your bandwidth than you were six months ago, you only have yourself to blame.
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Oh really? I am paying the same amount of money as I was 6 months ago, and I am not to blame. Still paying R389 for 2GB Vodacom HSDPA, so what do you suggest I do to reduce that? Should I take 1GB instead?
 
Shred said:
Oh really? I am paying the same amount of money as I was 6 months ago, and I am not to blame. Still paying R389 for 2GB Vodacom HSDPA, so what do you suggest I do to reduce that? Should I take 1GB instead?
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get ADSL. Move if you have to.
 
MFour said:
I'm just wondering here, I forget the answer. Do ISP's buy throughput capacity, or actual bandwidth usage? From my limited knowledge I don't get it. SEACOM (for instance) is selling thrpoughput capacity at R xxxxx.xxx / meg/sec, Telkom has just advertised that 155meg/sec service (for an insane amount of money), but nowhere do I see them selling per gig used. So why then is it that we as consumers are still trapped with per gig price models and pathetic caps? Are the ISP's really making a loss if they sell 1gig for R29.00 ?
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Pay per usage is not a new concept. Do you not pay per phone call you make, per second?

IMHO, from a revenue point of view, this model makes sense, particularly in our broadband economy. There is only one thing we are buying from an ISP, and that is an allocation on a line. That has been translated from speed and time to GB, which then makes it "easier" to sell, I'd imagine explaining a contention ratio is far easier when dealing with GB of data than with mb/s ("yes sir, you bought 3GB of data, but due to the load on the system its gonna take you a week to use it..." vs. "yes sir, you bought a 4mbit/s line, but due to us overselling our line, you're only going to get 128kbit/s..."). I'm not saying its always customer-centric, I'm just saying it allows Telkom and ISPs 2 levers (speed and data) to make money with, and if I were an ISP overseas, I'd be looking at using this model...
 
Shred said:
Oh really? I am paying the same amount of money as I was 6 months ago, and I am not to blame. Still paying R389 for 2GB Vodacom HSDPA, so what do you suggest I do to reduce that? Should I take 1GB instead?
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Get NeoGo :D
 
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