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Meh, I was originally intending to reroll as a Hunter on TH and then I got sidetracked and leveled a 70 Rogue and Priest.
I decided I want a solid farming char for Wrath and nothing beats a hunter so once more I brave STV and Hills. :D
 
ok ok ... on that I will agree.
Hunter class has many huntards !!! I think its one of those things we will never shake with our class. For some reason the hunter class just lures the most obscene characters hehehe.
 
Optioncarduser said:
A wise player once said

Hunters; easy to play, hard to master
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Hard to master??? Now there is a relative statement.
Get good gear, learn to macro and be aware of your situation. I think it is the easiest class to master tbh...
Ok ok Warlocks are easier, since they dont even need to learn to macro ;)
 
werries2 said:
Hard to master??? Now there is a relative statement.
Get good gear, learn to macro and be aware of your situation. I think it is the easiest class to master tbh...
Ok ok Warlocks are easier, since they dont even need to learn to macro ;)
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Sigh, im not talking dps

Im talking utility... Pre-tbc hunters will understand this so much more. Being able to kite for hours on end, to keep a mob permanently CC'd etc. Not the mindless bashing of the 3:2/1:1 macro :p
 
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werries2 said:
Hard to master??? Now there is a relative statement.
Get good gear, learn to macro and be aware of your situation. I think it is the easiest class to master tbh...
Ok ok Warlocks are easier, since they dont even need to learn to macro ;)
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Naahh i disagree... no other class in the game gets penalised so harshly for latency. Its pretty much impossible to make shot rotations work for you effectively on our latency. If a caster messes up cast, he looses out a few ms's... if a hunter messes up on his rotations due to latency, its a exstra 3,4 shots down the drain. Even the guys at maxdps.com stated on their website hunter dps mechanics are probably the most complex dps mechanics they have ever had to deal with. If you still think hunter dps is easy... then you are doing something seriously wrong ! The micro management of your pet, macro bashing / switching between 1:1 + 3:2 rotations between speed's depending on haste / trinkets + drums takes sooo much attention away from whats going on around you, you have to multi-task to the extreme :) Not to mention MD'ing between phases of bosses + keeping scorpid sting up to help with tank damage reduction, putting frost traps out for AOE tanking, re-applying hunters mark, having the right pet for the right job with you at all times eg. bird for brutallis sshheewwww. At least blizzard are removing the latency penalty we hunters suffer from autoshot clipping... gonna be very interesting things happening soon ! Its thanks to guys like cheeky / Lactose that blizzard dev's are starting to remove penalties which hunters always have suffered from in the past which have been totally out of their control.

Ofc you dont have to worry that much about macro switching, its only if you wanna break the 2400 dps mark when you really start worrying about watching your attack speed and switching macro's accordingly. But thats where you draw the line between your average hunters and the ones you seriously never get off the top of the dps meters on single target nuking bosses ;)
 
Porn, while you're here I wanna pick your brains about Wind Serpents.

What kind of gear levels are you gonna need before a Wind Serpent is a better DPS option then a Cat/Ravager?
 
Yea I have had a lot of people asking me about wind serpents lately... and to be honest, I tried both of the so called "best" dps pets.

I can elaborate a lot on the windserpents but i dont wanna bore you to death with it :) I will just give you the main high lights I like / dislike about serpent pets.

Personally I still find ravagers no1 dps monsters.

Wind serpents I still regard as "gamble" dps pets. Reason behind it is pretty simple. Serpents have the following going for them :

1 - Spell damage... the whole Armour damage mitigation of bosses are irrelevant.
2 - The serpent relies on Crit damage. Once he crits, he crits high.

Now the not so good :

Whats the main stats hunters go for if they want max damage and want to scale the stats over to their pet ? AP... raw AP.
Now... what do serpents require for max damage ? Massive spell power + massive spell crit !
Now thats the one thing we hunters never ever ever focus on our builds. (unless he is a huntard ofc hehe)
Yes its true a part of your AP gets converted over to your pet...
To give you physical breakdown :

Lets take my AP stats... I am on 2405 AP unbuffed. From that stats, if I use a physical dps pet like a ravager, he gets 530 AP scaled over to him.
If I use a serpent, of that 2405 AP a smaller percentage will be converted to spell damage...only 309 damage gets scaled over to him... so now the picture looks a bit different ! What benefits more ? The ravager ! Ravagers just benefits more from the type of stats that hunters stack up on.

The one thing that makes the serpent looks good, is critting... now remember your own crit does NOT scale over to pet. So even if I sit with 50 % crit, it doesn't help my wind serpent much. Your wind serpent still needs special gear drops like eg. the beast tamers shoulders which boosts your pets crit.

On a micro level of squeezing every bit of dps out... I found the ravager to consistently give me more overall dps at the end of a night, rather than a Wind serpent. Look there are times the Wind Serpent out damages the ravager, but thats where the "gamble" factor comes in. I just found the Wind serpent is not consistent in high dps. The ravager still comes out tops in my books :)

Grey areas I cannot find answers for which bugs me on wind serpents... As we all know, there is a difference between Spell Hit and normal physical Hit rating. Now the talent animal handler states "it boosts your pets Hit rating", it doesnt state that it boosts your pets "Spell Hit rating + Normal physical Hit rating"... and looking @ WWS stats, it looked like my serpent was missing around 20% of his damage output... which is more or less the same as having a ravager with no "animal handler" talents. Look I can be wrong, but as I said, I couldnt find conclusive answers that are 100% certain that "animal handler" benefits spell hit rating as well. Oh well.. thats my finding... its not necessarily right or correct, but its what I found the case to be with Wind serpents :)
 
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Yo Rambozo, stop showing off your T6 gear infront of BT, the rest of us are intimidated by your pressence ;)

I will keep to my remark that hunters are not that hard to master, and ofc it is a relative statement. I find it much harder to maintain high dps on my mage and manage aggro than I find it to max dps on hunter.

I have to admit if it were not for hunters like Rambozo and all those cheeky and lowcosta ones I would not be able to consistantly do the dps I do. But hard to master... If I could do it, it can't be that hard ;)
In dps races like Teron Gorefiend I can now easily do about 1700 dps (without being a ghost ofc). And on trash I can maintain 1200 dps mostly. Only mages and warlocks beat me on trash if it is aoe friendly.

I have picked up LW recently for the drum effect, and sofar I love it!
Will open a thread on it's discussion, since I have several questions about those!

On the Serpent vs Ravager question. I now have both as well. I am leaning towards the serpent being better, but that is because I am usure about the raveger "bite" skill. In the raids I used my raveger it did about 10% less dmg than the serpent (I have the serpent but have not trained bite for it) and I feel that maybe the bite skill steals the focus for the gore that potentialy does more dmg over time?
 
Hehehe heya Werries :p Was funny seeing you outside BT the other night ! Was beginning to think you rerolled a gnome rogue !!!

Yes, its all about focus, critting, AP... the more you crit the more focus your pet gets... and something like a ravager really shines when it comes to converting raw focus into damage. If your serpent is out damaging your ravager, its most likely a critting problem on your hunter. More crits = more focus :) Serpents have horrible things like casting times ! Ravager just converts all its focus into damage.

As for leatherworking ... its imba !!! <3

And for the non believers of hunter dps... btw the "current" recorded world record on a dps race boss like typical Brutallis... its held by a hunter currently. Thats right, all the locks, rogues, mages etc... no chance in hell.
3206 dps on Brutallis... here is the guys build :

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kil'jaeden&n=Atara

Second in line is the rogues... but only rogues with duel glaives seem to come close. Damn I love my hunter even more <3
 
Porn and Werries, thx for the replies.

I'm still a nub 40 Hunter but I've been doing a lot of reading and looking around but never really found anything to convince me that Windserpent is better.

I'm sticking with my Cat till I hit Outland due to the gap where there are no pets you can Tame to learn certain lower Ranks of Gore.

I was asking more out of curiosity at this point since I like to plan ahead :P
 
Both Ravegers and Serpents are really only level 70 pets. Unless you have uber focus generation earlier with very high crit ratings. Else they will just starve with not eneugh focus. Cats will outperform them at lower levels. Atleast that is my experience.
 
werries2 said:
Both Ravegers and Serpents are really only level 70 pets. Unless you have uber focus generation earlier with very high crit ratings. Else they will just starve with not eneugh focus. Cats will outperform them at lower levels. Atleast that is my experience.
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I agree... I only picked up my ravager @ 70. A cat works fine throughout 10-70
 
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