Which would you pick?

zorro5614 said:
Everything seems to have their drawbacks

Fronx/Starlet Cross and Grand Vitara/Urban Cruiser - Decent tech, noisy underpowered engine. 4 Speed auto
T-Cross - Overpriced, but better build quality then above
Chery and Haval - Very well equipped, but terrible fuel consumption and maybe shortage of parts.
Mazda - Very basic
Corolla Cross - Will have to be a 2021 with 80k + km on the clock to get close to R300k
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You cannot say overpriced and better quality in the same sentence. You pay for something that is not crap.

If you want to go for the 2021 with 80k km + bracket, then he could rather go for a T Roc that is in an entire different league to everything else on this list.
 
Drove a 2022 T-Cross in Malmesbury. There was this incline on the N7 and I had the 85Kw DSG flat to the floor, managed to get the to 120km/h
Drove the Fronx manual GLX an hour later on the same road, could not get over 100km/h and it was growling
Also drover a Polo 1.0 Tsi Life before the T-Cross. The driving position was not noticeably higher in the T-Cross. Same feeling between the Baleno and Fronx
The hatch versions just felt more sporty and nimble, even though they are virtually the same size
 
RedViking said:
Why automatic only?
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If the op lives in a densely populated urban area with bad traffic it’s a non-negotiable for me, it makes the journey so much more pleasant in stop start traffic. Also there's no joy in a manual with a little baby engine, if it was a v6 beast then maybe a manual is worth it but otherwise get an automatic and enjoy the journey.
 
zorro5614 said:
Drove a 2022 T-Cross in Malmesbury. There was this incline on the N7 and I had the 85Kw DSG flat to the floor, managed to get the to 120km/h
Drove the Fronx manual GLX an hour later on the same road, could not get over 100km/h and it was growling
Also drover a Polo 1.0 Tsi Life before the T-Cross. The driving position was not noticeably higher in the T-Cross. Same feeling between the Baleno and Fronx
The hatch versions just felt more sporty and nimble, even though they are virtually the same size
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T-Cross weighs more than a Polo
 
airborne said:
If the op lives in a densely populated urban area with bad traffic it’s a non-negotiable for me, it makes the journey so much more pleasant in stop start traffic. Also there's no joy in a manual with a little baby engine, if it was a v6 beast then maybe a manual is worth it but otherwise get an automatic and enjoy the journey.
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I do wish I had an automatic. Buy I don't have money for the latest model cars and the older automatic don't seem to have many gears and apparently not worth it.
 
Speedster said:
I need some expits to help me out here. I sold my car today, so need to make a decision on the new car pretty soon. Faced with the following, which would you pick

  • 2024 Suzuki Fronx GLX, 25 000km. 1.5 NA. Comes with 4 year service plan. R304 500.
  • 2024 Haval Jolion City Plus, 30 000km. 1.5T. Comes with 7 year service plan. R304 500.
  • 2022 Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross GLS, 57 000km. 1.5T. Out of service plan. R284 500.
  • 2024 Mazda CX-3 Active, 15 000km. 2.0 NA. 3 year service plan. R295 000.
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For me the Mazda, they're built really well, and their interior design is very driver-focused.

BUT, they insist on avoiding turbocharged engines and putting lethargic ones in. So to that end, it would be pipped by the Haval Jolion.
 
airborne said:
If the op lives in a densely populated urban area with bad traffic it’s a non-negotiable for me, it makes the journey so much more pleasant in stop start traffic. Also there's no joy in a manual with a little baby engine, if it was a v6 beast then maybe a manual is worth it but otherwise get an automatic and enjoy the journey.
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Exactly!

These are not the types of cars where a manual adds any benefit of any kind.

It’s just a chore through and through.
 
Brawler said:
How long do you want to keep the car for and do you care about resale value?

The Toyota and Suzukis are basic and boring but they will be fine for decades.

The cars with gizmos will eventually write itself off when something breaks.
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What do you expect to break that won’t break on a Toyzuki?
 
SauRoNZA said:
What do you expect to break that won’t break on a Toyzuki?
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I think it is more to do with where you buy and if you can trust the service center. Also seems like the shortage of parts is more with Haval than Chery, this seems to be more to do with parts relating to accident repairs and not with normal services
 
Speedster said:
Well, this isn't good.

www.nzherald.co.nz

Suzuki Fronx receives one-star safety rating

The Australasian New Car Assessment Programme (Ancap) has found multiple safety issues in the Suzuki Fronx, with owners urged not to travel with passengers. Video / Ancap
www.nzherald.co.nz www.nzherald.co.nz
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Speedster said:
www.drive.com.au

Safety warning for Suzuki Fronx after seatbelt fails in Australian crash test | Drive

Suzuki has halted sales of the Fronx after a "poor" one-star safety rating that saw one of the seatbelts fail in a crash test.
www.drive.com.au www.drive.com.au
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Posted this in the Fronx thread but will post it here too.

There is the possibility that it is made at another factory. Suzuki manufactures these mainly in India but there is an Indonesian factory that supplies the Fronx for ASEAN markets which include Japan and possibly Australia.

ANCAP is very tough. Seems the main issue is that rear seatbelt failure, and rightly so. But I've seen even seat failure in our local global NCAP test for a Mazda 2 so these failures are possible in any brand.

Despite the point deductions for the seatbelt failure, the Fronx is actually safer than the 5 star Global NCAP Mahindra Scorpio N for adult occupant safety. The latter being awarded a zero star ANCAP for lack of autonomous braking.

Makes one wonder which grading agency is "enough" if global ncap/Japan NCAP can be giving a car 4/5 stars and it gets 1/0 in Aussie land.

Looking at the ANCAP tests, I am very impressed with the Japanese brands specifically the Mazda CX-5 and HR-V. Not very powerful engines (2.0 and 1.5 NA respectively), but excellent safety without the theft risk or any Chinese reliability concerns.
 
zorro5614 said:
Yes the 2022 T-Cross has 7speed DSG, but the issue is when they get issues. Seems like a R50k+ repair/replacement
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When you buy the car, extend the factory warranty to as long as you can. Most manufacturers will do around 7 years (from new, not date of purchase). Shouldn't cost more than R10k. And even after it expires, you can get a third party warranty for a couple hundred bucks a month...
 
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