White students 'overlooked'

[Syndyre]

So how long are people going to refer to Non-whites as Previously Disadvantaged?

As long as its politically expedient to do so.

 

[Syndyre]

There were black people at Rhodes University in '82 and even earlier. Same with private schools.

My point exactly.

What is the difference between a black SA person and a white SA person that we have to discriminate in this way??
[Please answer if you can ]

The party they're more likely to vote for.

 

[Syndyre]

The figures I mentioned show that while people ( mainly white ) continuosly complain that they are being overlooked for jobs etc. the evidence clearly shows that this is not the case, once again it is just a perception - stop listening to what your friends tell you over the braaistand and look at the real situation out there

Just because people have jobs doesn't mean they have the same jobs they would have at the same level if it was a pure meritocracy.

 

[Syndyre]

One logical conclusion one can draw is that complaints against AA are motivated by greed.

How is that in any way logical? What is logical is that AA discriminates on the basis of race is can therefore justifiably be termed racist.

 

[Syndyre]

I call it greedy, because as the statistics suggest, the majority of the whites are employed...Why do you complain if you already have a job???

Ok so if you're educated with a degree and you're only offered a cleaning job for R1000/month on the basis of your race you're greedy if you complain? By your logic then people that complained about job reservation etc during apartheid were just greedy.

 

[NewsFlash]

How is that in any way logical? What is logical is that AA discriminates on the basis of race is can therefore justifiably be termed racist.

Easy Bageloo seems to be supporting these racist systems himself, thus it would be difficult for him to the reconize the racism from our viewpoint. They just name and call it differently to colour in the black and white rainbow.

 

[Syndyre]

Once again I will say at least this Government acknowledges corruption and takes action against it

Yeah Yengeni really had it tough! Zuma too!

 

[Syndyre]

the act clearly states that suitably qualified people from the designated groups must be given equal opportunities for employment .

It may state that but what it puts into place merely replaces one system of racial discrimination (apartheid) with another.

 

[NewsFlash]

It may state that but what it puts into place merely replaces one system of racial discrimination (apartheid) with another.

He exclude to mention the new laws made to ensure that specific point will not be adhered too. He's just playing with words and his his own confused mind.

 

[Syndyre]

Whites believe they are being targetted because they are now being treated as equal and not special

I would be perfectly happy with being treated equally, and its what I would expect. But colour becomes a criterion when applying for jobs, university, bursaries etc. people are clearly no longer being treated equally.

 

[Syndyre]

He exclude to mention the new laws made to ensure that specific point will not be adhered too. He's just playing with words and his his own confused mind.

Exactly, what the preamble says and what the legally enforceable clauses say are too very different matters.

 

[Edwe]

As long as its politically expedient to do so.

In other words, practically forever? My generation did not even experience Apartheid. In my case, AA will probably disadvantage me for the rest of my life and I never experienced the "benefits" of Apartheid. How is that fair? Just for the record, I strongly disagree with the idea of Apartheid, but equally strongly with the idea of AA.

 

[Syndyre]

In other words, practically forever? My generation did not even experience Apartheid. In my case, AA will probably disadvantage me for the rest of my life and I never experienced the "benefits" of Apartheid. How is that fair? Just for the record, I strongly disagree with the idea of Apartheid, but equally strongly with the idea of AA.

Thats the way it seems. I'm in the same situation as you, I don't agree with it, just stating facts. It won't be disadvantaging me though, I'll be overseas somewhere where equality means equality.

 

[Skeptik]

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[RichardP]

The AA/EE laws in SA are unique to any international standards..... "They dont have a sunset clause" - No expiry date on them!

 

[xtermin8or]

In other words, practically forever? My generation did not even experience Apartheid. In my case, AA will probably disadvantage me for the rest of my life and I never experienced the "benefits" of Apartheid. How is that fair? Just for the record, I strongly disagree with the idea of Apartheid, but equally strongly with the idea of AA.

What utter bull****, Democracy has only been in this country for little over a decade, your parents brought you up under Apartheid, and you and them enjoyed the benefits of the system - the point is that the situation you find yourself in now is because of Apartheid

Wake up - look around the country and tell me seriously that whites are worse off than blacks

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Someone asked for stats on unemployment - they have been posted here earlier - I will repost them - it makes quite a clear point

The unemployment rate for black Africans is 31.3 percent, coloureds 21.8 percent, Indians 13.4 percent and whites 5.4 percent.

looking at these figures once again I put it to you that Government action in terms of AA is completely justified - anyone who can't see that is blinded by their own bigotry and greed

 

[xtermin8or]

Hi All

a question for the xtermi8or, you mentioned

"Whites are not disadvantaged - I understand that it feels like that - when you have to step down from a position of priveledge to stand on equal footing with the rest, it may feel like you are now disadvantaged but really you are just equal"

I may possibly be wrong here, but that is a lot of bollocks, not? What about AA?

Please to respond, not like other times when I have requested, but you conveniently have not.

cheers
air

well, air, if your question is " is that bollocks " the answer is simply no, it is not.

I can understand why I have not responded to you previously, but you offer no counter-point to debate - calling something bollocks is not a point - but then again that is the nature of argument from you and your kind on this forum - no wonder you find it difficult to compete equally in the workplace

air - is that short for airhead

 

[NewsFlash]

well, air, if your question is " is that bollocks " the answer is simply no, it is not.

I can understand why I have not responded to you previously, but you offer no counter-point to debate - calling something bollocks is not a point - but then again that is the nature of argument from you and your kind on this forum - no wonder you find it difficult to compete equally in the workplace

air - is that short for airhead

And is this what You and "YOUR KIND" (excuse the pun) resort to! Go figure

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=63259

 

[Skeptik]

What utter bull****, Democracy has only been in this country for little over a decade, your parents brought you up under Apartheid, and you and them enjoyed the benefits of the system - the point is that the situation you find yourself in now is because of Apartheid

Wake up - look around the country and tell me seriously that whites are worse off than blacks

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Someone asked for stats on unemployment - they have been posted here earlier - I will repost them - it makes quite a clear point

The unemployment rate for black Africans is 31.3 percent, coloureds 21.8 percent, Indians 13.4 percent and whites 5.4 percent.


looking at these figures once again I put it to you that Government action in terms of AA is completely justified - anyone who can't see that is blinded by their own bigotry and greed

Xtermin8tor, one again you set out each race separately. I ask you again WHY?
This is the very definition of discrimination. Why do yo keep doing it??

So what if 31% of a particular race is unemployed!!

Perhaps they don't cope well with a particular subject for various reasons - rural upbringing, home language, etc .

Does that mean they will always be marginalised in terms of unemployment and therefore ALWAYS need to be given a leg-up to get the best jobs? Do the majority of dark-skinned people have to have 80% of jobs?

This farce will never end.

 

[Bageloo]

So what if 31% of a particular race is unemployed!!
Perhaps they don't cope well with a particular subject for various reasons - rural upbringing, home language, etc .
Does that mean they will always be marginalised in terms of unemployment and therefore ALWAYS need to be given a leg-up to get the best jobs?

The cause for such a legacy is apartheid. Mainly the bantustans, group areas act, bantu education etc. These were the definite racist policies, the effect of which has to be reversed today. Only once this has been achieved will we then be able to apply merit. Merit has never been used before therefore cannot be applied before the stage is set for it.

Do the majority of dark-skinned people have to have 80% of jobs?

No, I don't think the quotas require 80% targets. If anyone has the stats/target, kindly post them here.