White students 'overlooked'

[Bageloo]

It's funny that AA doesn't take nationality into account. You can employ an African-American, and still get the "points" for AA, or even somebody from India (if you're brave).

WRONG . Foreign nationals do not benefit from AA unless they were in the country prior to 1994. Another myth dispelled!

 

[NameOfBeast]

what else is race if not a social construct ?

I asked for your proof of this. You are adopting the strategy of simply taking as proved that which you *want* to be true. Stephen J. Gould would be so proud of you.

 

[RichardP]

@ Richard without having the stats in front of me, i would be hesistant to say who pays more taxes white or black - but as blacks are the majority of workers ( even with the high unemployment figure ) i would hazard a guess that they are in the majority when it comes to paying tax

I do not understand what you mean by sponsored technology not of African origin - are you then suggesting that since most software is written by people of Indian and Chinese descent that the USA and others should not use it or do I understand you completely wrong - because that argument makes no sense at all

I would beg to differ on Tax statistics... but never mind... your whole standpoint is objectionable and if the future of SA depended like minded individuals like yourself, then alot of praying is needed. Try picture the scenario from the other side.
May I ask your age? .. as I am curios if you were part of the struggle - or just picked up the pieces after a university education and decided to run as the self-appointed Righ-the-wrongs representative? Just curious..

 

[xtermin8or]

can you ever stop talking about the previous regime? and peeps lets get this straight, if south africa was in actual fact a true democracy the ANC would''ve been out of office 2/3 years ago, licking their wounds and tightening up loose ends to try and regain office!

The fact is we are in a true democracy, the fact that a party of your choice is not the ruling party does not change that - yet again a post that clearly illustrates my point - the non-acceptance of democratic rule - of equal opportunity


[/QUOTE]the previous regime has nothing to do with this forum or life in the moment.[/QUOTE]

The previous government has evrything to do with life at the moment, the reason for the corrective action of this government is to redress the horrendous crimes of the National Party government

getting back to the topic, why should young white south africans have to suffer for the sins of their fathers?

stats show that whites are the least affected by unemployment, and still own the lions share of the country's wealth, why then do we hear all these complaints, it is because of the non-acceptance of democratic rule - once again a clear illustration of the point i have been trying to make

Thank you very much - a-person

Now take a long introspective look at your life, and tell me if you think whites are suffering in this country, would you swop places with a person living in Alexandra ?

 

[Skeptik]

If South Africa is not a true democracy, what system of govt is it then?

It's hard to be sure. I would say some sort of tripartheid alliance which includes a large communist element. The ANC were communist not too long ago too. In order to gain support from the West, they could not retain those credentials, yet a lot of their viewpoints are based on such an ideology.

According to the statistics, they are not suffering. Get that through you head!

True, they have gone abroad and are contributing to a foreign country rather than this one.

 

[xtermin8or]

White people are CURRENTLY DISADVANTAGED, look how many have left for other shores because people is this country DO NOT get hired on MERIT. They get hired because of politically motivated means.

white people leave the country because they are disadvantaged - what about blacks who leave the country - I know many - are they disadvantaged too ?

Whites are not disadvantaged - I understand that it feels like that - when you have to step down from a position of priveledge to stand on equal footing with the rest, it may feel like you are now disadvantaged but really you are just equal

 

[RichardP]

white people leave the country because they are disadvantaged - what about blacks who leave the country - I know many - are they disadvantaged too ?

Whites are not disadvantaged - I understand that it feels like that - when you have to step down from a position of priveledge to stand on equal footing with the rest, it may feel like you are now disadvantaged but really you are just equal

Both races are leaving SA to make a future for themselves. I know many black people that WORKED to top positions and now are just sitting next to an AA person.. that is degrading. Hence!, the Good SA black-brains are gone. They DONT want favouratism.

 

[xtermin8or]

I would beg to differ on Tax statistics... but never mind... your whole standpoint is objectionable and if the future of SA depended like minded individuals like yourself, then alot of praying is needed. Try picture the scenario from the other side.
May I ask your age? .. as I am curios if you were part of the struggle - or just picked up the pieces after a university education and decided to run as the self-appointed Righ-the-wrongs representative? Just curious..

I clearly said I do not have the figures and I am hazarding a guess, if you have the figures that prove there are more white taxpayers than blacks I will accept that - but I can't accept your acertion based only on your opinion - just as I understand you can't accept mine

as for the rest - what makes you think I have a university education

 

[NameOfBeast]

as for the rest - what makes you think I have a university education

I doubt very many would make that particular mistake.

 

[Bageloo]

Politicians in Britain will resign THEMSELVES with impunity if they are caught doing something untoward. Except our politicians version of untoward is rape and theirs is looking at a female co-worker with lust in their eyes.

what if they are not caught?????
Ditto Bill Clinton - oral sxing in the oval office. America also not a democracy

A government built on loyalty is a government that does as it pleases.

different political parties contest the elections. People voice their opinions through a ballot. You probably don't even vote because you don't know who to vote for

 

[xtermin8or]

Both races are leaving SA to make a future for themselves.

That is true, everyone I know who left the country, left to make more money, the view that people leave because they are being discriminated against, does therefore not hold water

I also know of many people who have returned to the country, because they say the quality of life here is better than in the foreign country ( mainly the UK )

 

[Bageloo]

So have you forgotten the title of this thread or what? And don't take my comments apart if you can't read what comes before them!!

White people are CURRENTLY DISADVANTAGED, look how many have left for other shores because people is this country DO NOT get hired on MERIT. They get hired because of politically motivated means.

Check the employment statistics first. What about those whites that are debating on this forum? I suppose they also don't have jobs and they're living off govt grants. Who are you trying to kid?

 

[Nod]

what else is race if not a social construct?

I thought it was heredity.

 

[NameOfBeast]

I thought it was heredity.

Ah, but the obvious answer would be an inconvenient one for xtermin8or.

 

[Mr TB]

Comment On Advantage

So as and eg: KPMG was giving a bursaries to give away, you got a 95% average and the black kid got a 95% average he studied in his cold shack with a candle and you had all the comforts in the world.

Who should get the bursury?

JK8 please note that Edwe did not refer to a fellow student living in a shack.

The fact that they stay in the same area, attend school etc. confirms that point. Both have an equal chance for such bursary, the disadvantage for Edwe however being that his fellow student's parents and grandparents were raised in the circumstances described by JK8

The advantage therefore lies with his fellow student...

 

[Mr TB]

Comparing Statistics

Check the employment statistics first. What about those whites that are debating on this forum? I suppose they also don't have jobs and they're living off govt grants. Who are you trying to kid?

I accept that the unemployment is a big problem in our beloved country, anyone compared ratios?

CAUCASIAN V OTHER POPULATION RATIO 1:4

AFRIKAANS V ENGLISH ETC... any statistics to see if the state have an acceptable case for its policies?

 

[Brenden_E]

I thought it was heredity.

Hehe, when the obvious answer isn't so obvious to some. I'm guessing the xterminator is one of the 4...

 

[air]

Hi All

a question for the xtermi8or, you mentioned

"Whites are not disadvantaged - I understand that it feels like that - when you have to step down from a position of priveledge to stand on equal footing with the rest, it may feel like you are now disadvantaged but really you are just equal"

I may possibly be wrong here, but that is a lot of bollocks, not? What about AA?

Please to respond, not like other times when I have requested, but you conveniently have not.

cheers
air

 

[Syndyre]

Those are not disadvantaged anymore. These are of course exceptional cases i.e. poor white kids, rich black kids, but they are only insignificant if we consider society at large.
We also tend to make a mistake of assuming that society is inherently fair and would therefore apply "meritocracy" at all times. The fact is we are raised with prejudice and sterotypes (more so in SA, owing to our past). A white person is more than likely to hire another white person unless there is none available. Same goes for a black person. It's the whole language/cultural upbringing phenomenon. We all tend to put more trust on things that are more familiar to ourselvels. One english speaking white forumite has mentioned that it was hard to get a job at telkom/eskom/SABC unless one was afrikaans. The reality in SA is that the employer is white (excluding government).

And also don't make it seem like every job in SA is AA, not even in governement (otherwise Elec Erwin wouldn't have a job. LOL)

Assuming this is true, the correct course of action would then be pass laws to outlaw any discrimination, whether it be gender, race or religion etc. based. There's no need to replace one form of discrimination with another.

 

[Syndyre]

read the post again. with comprehension this time!

I did the first time.