Why do you pirate online?

[LazyLion]

Stil that doesn't give you the right to download it without the copyright holder's consent. Once the copyright on the recording expires, well then it is fair game.

The copyright holder is not likely to exercise his Right of ownership over one person downloading his stuff... only if that person begins to sell it for profit.

In fact the copyright act of 1978 gives legal protection to those who make a copy for their own use only.

 

[Nerfherder]

I remember the retaliation from anonymous very well! It was completely wrong to expose the public, although $ony benefited by realising their security was not as good as they thought - so they increased security and subsequently the the public benefited too.

I won't say $ony lost. They still sell bucket loads of their consoles (fixed or hand held). But this is probably to do with people not really knowing what happened.

And big yes - online gameplay did turn the hacking scene around too - hence I would argue another win for $ony. I also hacked my console for convenience of playing games from the hard drive. And when GT5 came out, I just had to upgrade.

Getting back to piracy - I never pirated any games. I respected the developers enough not to steal their hard earned cash

I meant they lost money... and they lost a lot.

 

[burn]

I may (or may not) pirate because I can't get easy access to content at a fair price. I know that sounds selfish, but I am not that unreasonable.

For instance, I would never pirate a game that is available on Steam (although I do often wait for specials ). Same would apply if I had music/video content delivered to be in a similar manner. I'd love to use iTunes, Netflix and Hulu, without having to fool them I am in America.

Subscription services are the future. It works for TV and radio, why shouldn't it work for streaming content?

 

[Aweso-me]

The radio will continue to play that song whether I DL it or not.

The rights holder will get nothing whether you download it or not. You should not get something for free that the rights holder has decided you should pay for. Wait for the recording copyright to expire or the rights holder to decide you can download it for free and then go wild. If you want something then pay for it, if not then don't download it.

If you weren't going to pay for it anyway, then why so keen to download it in the first place? If you don't see the value in the product, then don't pay for it and the rights holder will not make a cent off you. Maybe in future, they will create a product you see enough value in to pay for it.

 

[LazyLion]

The rights holder will get nothing whether you download it or not. You should not get something for free that the rights holder has decided you should pay for. Wait for the recording copyright to expire or the rights holder to decide you can download it for free and then go wild. If you want something then pay for it, if not then don't download it.

If you weren't going to pay for it anyway, then why so keen to download it in the first place? If you don't see the value in the product, then don't pay for it and the rights holder will not make a cent off you. Maybe in future, they will create a product you see enough value in to pay for it.

Nah, thanks, but I think I'll just download it anyway if I want to.

 

[simbao53]

...but because business models are wrong.

Yes, As much as I'd like to watch shows say like when they air on ABC and 'TiVo' the shows so that I don't have to sit through the commercials, I will not wait over 6 to 18 months for a show to premier on DStv! If there was a model that allow me to pay for content I want when it's fresh, I'd take that option!

 

[Aweso-me]

In fact the copyright act of 1978 gives legal protection to those who make a copy for their own use only.

Fair dealing in terms of the Copyright Act of 1978 does not apply to music recordings but only the musical work (ie the musical score) and does not necessarily apply to the entire work (or a major part of the work).

 

[HOLY MAnIAC]

Now if Steam only started selling movies, tv series and music, that would be great!

Just imagine how much they could make of this idea if implemented correctly.

 

[LazyLion]

Fair dealing in terms of the Copyright Act of 1978 does not apply to music recordings but only the musical work (ie the musical score) and does not necessarily apply to the entire work (or a major part of the work).

Source?

 

[Billy]

Stil that doesn't give you the right to download it without the copyright holder's consent. Once the copyright on the recording expires, well then it is fair game.

Springbok Radio programmes are part of South Africa's Heritage and were wilfully destroyed by the SABC. How can they sucessfully defend their copyright if the only copies are with Pirates?

 

[FrankCastle]

Another factor is the sheer immediacy and convenience.
Watching episodes of a series one after another with no breaks is an absolute pleasure.
In fact once you go back to normal tv viewing it becomes so disruptive and annoying that you'll download the same material that you were watching just to avoid the ad breaks.

 

[Fader4]

Piracy exists because people like free stuff. I know i do.

 

[Fader4]

Another factor is the sheer immediacy and convenience.
Watching episodes of a series one after another with no breaks is an absolute pleasure.
In fact once you go back to normal tv viewing it becomes so disruptive and annoying that you'll download the same material that you were watching just to avoid the ad breaks.

I agree. Its a catch 22 though because without all those ad breaks that we should be subjected to we would not have those shows in the first place.

 

[Vlad]

The same guy saying Google search is dying now has credibility to talk about piracy?

 

[FrankCastle]

I agree. Its a catch 22 though because without all those ad breaks that we should be subjected to we would not have those shows in the first place.

And its for this reason pirating is here to stay.Its the McDonalds of the entertainment industry.
Fast.
Convenient
Cheap.
Satisfying.

 

[GreyBush]

The rights holder will get nothing whether you download it or not. You should not get something for free that the rights holder has decided you should pay for. Wait for the recording copyright to expire or the rights holder to decide you can download it for free and then go wild. If you want something then pay for it, if not then don't download it.

If you weren't going to pay for it anyway, then why so keen to download it in the first place? If you don't see the value in the product, then don't pay for it and the rights holder will not make a cent off you. Maybe in future, they will create a product you see enough value in to pay for it.

Because I buy quality music, I download random music that I would never buy, usually to open myself up to new things... the same way someone in another country besides SA would use the radio to find new music. None of the music I like will ever get near an SA radio station.

If I am a fan of a band then I buy their CD's because you can hear the difference between an MP3 and a CD...

 

[nelwa]

I think for the most part it comes down to this: People can't always afford to financially justify buying all of it.

Some hypothetical examples:

Hypothetically speaking, say I were to be an avid gamer (single player), aged 15-17... say 10 games come out each year, at an average price of R350 a game.... that would be R3500 a year spent on games that one could possibly play for a week each. A lot of people can't justify spending that sort of money.

Taking series into example: The majority of us have DSTV. Prison Break (for example), airs once a week, at a bad time for us.
What do we do? We download the Prison Break series. Technically speaking we already pay to watch it, as it airs on DSTV. The time that it airs is difficult for us to stick to, so we watch the downloaded shows.

Music: I suppose that this once again comes down to a financial justification. The average album has 10 tracks, costs R160. That's R16 per track, half of which we might not like. There might be 10 albums released a year that you would like one or more songs from. That would be R1600 per year that you'd end up spending.

Movies.... probably the same justification, although I'm less inclined to agree.

I totally agree with you, as for Movies - R 50 per person for a movie, is quite expensive, especially if you take into consideration, the often extremely long queues, terrible audio quality, dirty theatres, way overpriced beverages, etc. I think if cinemas clean up their act and make the whole experience much better and worth while, more people would rather watch movies there. I hate going to movies due to all the above mentioned reasons...why would I not rather download a movie and watch it in the comfort of my home, with a clean place to sit, high quality audio, etc... and no *********s constantly talking or generally disrupting the experience...

 

[Aweso-me]

Source?

Read the Act and Act 125 of 1992 which is an ammendment to The Copyright Act of 1978 as it makes a clear distinction between a musical work and a recording of a musical work.

But I am sure that even with all the evidence provided, you will still respond with:

Nah, thanks, but I think I'll just download it anyway if I want to.

 

[Vrotappel]

I pirate because... I can

+1

 

[Ninja'd]

I pirate games and music cause they're expensive. If I find them decent I still don't buy it. What's the point of buying the exact same item you already have?