Why Erwin backs the state to get infrastructure working for SA

I find it hard to believe that the department and parastatals plan 20 years in advance, not with the infrastructure headaches we sit with now and even if they do, how often do they review the 'plan'?
Eskom went to the government in 2000/1 with justification to build more power plants then aready, the department said no way jose do not build anything, k@k plan Alec.

Erwin also qualifies governments involvement in some of these strategic resources by saying *cough* it reduces the cost *cough* and that going a wholely owned state route discourages future investment!
Well our telecoms situation is like it is because of high prices and lack of infrastructure or investment in infrastructure in the past, and the state is heavily involved in this sector through majority shareholdings in most players and its interference with the so called 'independent' regulator.
Has Erwin has lost his bolt again or do we have to wait 20 years for these newly forged plans to deliver anything tangible?
 
Or they can let alot of competition in, or even more simple just regulate it properly. I still think Erwin's plans is gonna get a whap on the head from Ivy when it does what she couldn't, or didn't want, to do in less time. She gonna be pissed.
 
The department and the parastatals are planning 20 years ahead, in areas such as energy and transport.
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Ok so lets see, think 20 years ahead - we are 10 years behind = thinking 10 years ahaed in real terms. hmmm a bit short sighted if you ask me.

Where some other countries have allowed broadband provision to be dominated by multinational companies, here it was considered important to have one of the systems under state control. The promise is it will help to bring down telecommunications costs.
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Oh right, like I'm gonna believe that...
 
Erwin argues it must be publicly owned because broadband is such a strategic issue.
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If you look at international comparisons I'm pretty sure the countries with privatised industries will come out much better in terms of performance/cap/price/speed etc, does that not say something?
 
a formulae for communism

state owns everything

what happened to free enterprise, competitive markets, and capitalist invention

the massive holding in telkom hasn't done us any good, has it? Why should any of this be any different

the magic bolt, invented on the eve of an election is no way to do business

why should this be any different

investment for cronies, probably found at the Progressive Business Forum.

ANC thinks government is a money making scheme just for them, and their chosen cronies

Sick
 
As i said in another thread. Telkom started like this.....

This is like planning 20 years BACKWARDS ?

Where some other countries have allowed broadband provision to be dominated by multinational companies, here it was considered important to have one of the systems under state control. The promise is it will help to bring down telecommunications costs.
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WHAT??!!!!! Didn't we fight for like YEARS to get Telkom OUT of state control so companies [multinational etc] can compete ?? Now they're just "restarting" from scratch.
 
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diabolus said:
As i said in another thread. Telkom started like this.....

This is like planning 20 years BACKWARDS ?



WHAT??!!!!! Didn't we fight for like YEARS to get Telkom OUT of state control so companies [multinational etc] can compete ?? Now they're just "restarting" from scratch.
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System Reboot = Um, no Operating System found.
 
krycor said:
Or they can let alot of competition in, or even more simple just regulate it properly. I still think Erwin's plans is gonna get a whap on the head from Ivy when it does what she couldn't, or didn't want, to do in less time. She gonna be pissed.
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Well, if he really have our interests at heart, and really want to make available affordable communications, then he'll need lots of support.

Ivy sure will be pissed. But that's her problem, not his.
 
Government has given the private sector more than enough time to come to the table. No one has, so now its going to invest itself. I followed some of this on 702. The government has been begging private industry to come up with solutions... they waited and waited, no one wanted to play ball, so now they are doing it themselves. There are still many options open to private business.
 
asked in parliament today of the Minister

do you think that Infraco dovetails well with the National Broadband Plan?
Oh yes!


...pity the Plan doesn't exist
 
But how? I mean the only companies allowed to bring it in is Telkom or Neotel, so how are private companies enticed to lay their own cable? *confused* especially when the minister does not let anything bad happen to her precious.
 
w1z4rd said:
Government has given the private sector more than enough time to come to the table. No one has, so now its going to invest itself. I followed some of this on 702. The government has been begging private industry to come up with solutions... they waited and waited, no one wanted to play ball
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Oh come on, it's been illegal for ages for the private sector to even attempt to build anything that might compete with Telkom, OF COURSE they haven't built anything - it was AGAINST THE LAW (in fact it STILL basically is). Some companies even tried to do it illegally and were shut down. WTF, these people are either complete idiots or completely corrupt, either way they must be held accountable for a massive failure here. Government has done nothing at all of value in 13 years, time to step out the way and create a free market, which happens to work very well in every other country in the entire world where it's been tried.
 
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Syndyre said:
If you look at international comparisons I'm pretty sure the countries with privatised industries will come out much better in terms of performance/cap/price/speed etc, does that not say something?
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The Guv doesn't give a hoot as long as they make a buck and have total CONTROL!
 
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