Why intel sux so badly.

Rouxenator

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Good point PeterCH :p
I do not favor AMD, it is just that they currently give the best performance in CPUs with you compare with with VIA. I am considering a VIA based netbook though. For desktops AMD has the better upgrade path and that is what I am after.

I am not even considering intel since I need superior architecture.
 

PeterCH

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Roux only a bit of favoritism? Dude roux will rather you buy a 3800+ amd than an i7 if he had his way hahaha.

He is not a little bit of a fan, he is a full blown buy amd because intel sucks fanboy, he never uses intel and always knocks them much the same as you do with windows 7 :D

Cut from the same clothe you are both are :D.

Will exercise bwana wisdom here. :)

I'll smile like a Harajuku fashion store greeting girl. :D
 

killadoob

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Good point PeterCH :p
I do not favor AMD, it is just that they currently give the best performance in CPUs with you compare with with VIA. I am considering a VIA based netbook though. For desktops AMD has the better upgrade path and that is what I am after.

I am not even considering intel since I need superior architecture.

Peter agrees with you for sure dude, amd are the best on the market and have the best cpu's without a doubt :D

Glad to see peter has a new friend :D
 

The_Techie

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I am not even considering intel since I need superior architecture.

I believe the Nehalem architecture is superior to the current Phenom II architecture.

I refer you to this (page 10 to 15) which shows a 3.4GHz Phenom II being outperformed in every test (save the AES benchmark) by a 2.66GHz Intel Nehalem-based CPU.
 

PeterCH

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Peter agrees with you for sure dude, amd are the best on the market and have the best cpu's without a doubt :D

Glad to see peter has a new friend :D

:D

Thank you for shopping at Takashimaya, Sir. Have a pleasant day and do come again so we may once again enjoy serving you.
 

killadoob

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I believe the Nehalem architecture is superior to the current Phenom II architecture.

I refer you to this (page 10 to 15) which shows a 3.4GHz Phenom II being outperformed in every test (save the AES benchmark) by a 2.66GHz Intel Nehalem-based CPU.

No point pointing out the obvious to peter and his new buddie techie.

They know these things because they have used them before :D.
 

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Sure, if you want to only buy a CPU then that is what you will do. If you want to make your money count for more than just what you get then you might not want to go intel.

The very first PC I bought had an AMD. My following two upgrades were AMDs. Then in 2006 Intel brought out their Core 2 Duos.

Nothing AMD had could come close. I moved over. I STILL have that exact CPU (E6400) running in my setup. It's been running for the last three years overclocked at 3.4GHZ. I think the money I spent counted for more than what I got.

I'll be upgrading next year. Like always I'll do my research into the different components. If AMD has a better product FOR MY MONEY, I'll go for it. If Intel has a better product FOR MY MONEY, I'll go for it.

End of story
 

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Nehalem is the CPU which needs a smaller heatsink, right?

Then we've got one in our test room :D

The heat sink looks radically small when compared to a Presshot's heatsink... yet it doesn't get that hot either when I test it with HotCPU.
 

Rouxenator

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I believe the Nehalem architecture is superior to the current Phenom II architecture.

I refer you to this (page 10 to 15) which shows a 3.4GHz Phenom II being outperformed in every test (save the AES benchmark) by a 2.66GHz Intel Nehalem-based CPU.

That is the here and now and only taking into account the maximum performance you can get from the CPU.

It does not take into account the upgradeable of the platform, the cost for performance nor the reasons how they got that architecture to perform so well.

But hey, if you like buying pirated DVD titles from the guy on the street corner then by all means go for it.

The post I made is to give BACKGROUND and HISTORY on why intel is bad. Did you read the part about benchmarks and kids with too much money ?
 

The_Techie

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Nehalem is the CPU which needs a smaller heatsink, right?

Then we've got one in our test room :D

The heat sink looks radically small when compared to a Presshot's heatsink... yet it doesn't get that hot either when I test it with HotCPU.

No, the Nehalem-based CPUs currently are the Intel Core i7 range (socket 1366), Intel Core i7 range (socket 1156) and Intel Core i5 range (socket 1156). The stock heatsink for the Core i7 920, at least, is larger than the stock heatsink for my Q6600.

The Wolfdale CPUs had smaller heatsinks (the E8XXX series in particular).

That is the here and now and only taking into account the maximum performance you can get from the CPU.

It does not take into account the upgradeable of the platform, the cost for performance nor the reasons how they got that architecture to perform so well.

DDR3, 3 PCI-e slots, Crossfire and SLI support, SATAII (SATA3 coming soon), USB3 coming soon.

Core i9 CPUs scheduled for Q1 2010.

I'd say the platform is rather upgradeable, wouldn't you? And that's just the X58 platform, the P55s (the mainstream segment) are even more so.

As for the cost for performance, I refer you here.

As for the reason why the architecture is performing so well versus the Core 2 architecture, I refer you here.

But hey, if you like buying pirated DVD titles from the guy on the street corner then by all means go for it.

Don't really see the relevance of buying pirated DVDs being brought into an argument regarding superior architectures :confused:

The post I made is to give BACKGROUND and HISTORY on why intel is bad.

I did not challenge your views on Intel's background and history, but rather your claim that AMD has a superior architecture.

Did you read the part about benchmarks and kids with too much money ?

I did. Did you read my link where the 3.4GHz PhenomII gets outperformed consistently (save for one test) by a lower-clocked Intel Core i7? If AMD did have a superior architecture it should've been the opposite. And classifying people who bought Nehalem-based CPUs (which includes me) as "kids with too much money" is a bit presumptuous I'd think.

Intel did not just copy the integrated memory controller concept from AMD with the Nehalem CPUs as you stated ("the same old intel junk with an integrated memory controller"), it has many new architectural changes. I ask you to please peruse the links that I provided.

It's a good thing Intel's R&D department magically made the Core i7 CPUs faster in benchmarks ("getting slightly better benchmark scores" as you said) and real-word applications (I refer you to the links provided) as that encourages AMD to remain competitive which is good for the consumer :)

EDIT: In the past (thinking Athlon vs NetBurst P4) AMD did indeed have a superior architecture, however since the introduction of the Core 2 architecture the balance has shifted.
 
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Even if they copy/paste FROM EACH OTHER [which i'm sure does happen], the competition between them means one thing: we as consumers get a better product [whether it be intel/amd based], and there is stiff competition on the market.....



Oops.......Got a point there.:eek:
 

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I'm quite the opposite in that I have no allegiance to either company, I buy whichever CPU has the best performance for my budget.

I have to agree with this. I like Intel a lot since I've used them for, well, ages and each time I've upgraded Intel have just been on the mark so I've grown to trust them. But aesthetically, teh green AMD is just awesome :3 Green's my favourite colour, so... yeah :p

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killadoob

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You can do something for love, you can do something for money, but there is nothing as satisfying as doing something out off spite - Jeremy Clarkson, 1993

Out of spite i will continue using intel because people like roux give amd a really bad name.
 

Gaz{M}

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Toxin is right - I have only ever owned AMD CPUs, until last month I bought an intel Dual Core E6300. This decision was based solely on value for money.

I'm not a fanboi - i will buy what is deemed to suit my needs at the time.

BUT, it was a very interesting read, so thanks. May i suggest you remove of the "intel sucks" and derogatory language and you will end up with a much more digestible article :)
 
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