Why intel sux so badly.

CorneN

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Man I missed the whole thread. Almost pointless to crack one of my anti-AMD jokes now :(

Anyway, I see the first post that AMD's Duron crushed the P4's of that time? Back when the Durons came out, a friend of mine used to work at Saharah. Those Durons were of such bad quality that Saharah had multiple cracked & chipped returns a week. She used to have a CPU graveyard decoration on her wall at home.

So yeah, there is one example of how AMD pwned INTEL...
 
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Adenoid Hynkel

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If "copy & paste" is normal, why does AMD not copy from Intel? Surely they don't, otherwise they wouldn't be so behind.

But who knows, maybe they working on something really big that will crush intel in a couple of years :D

Competition is healthy. If AMD would not be in the market no more, imagine the cpu's we would use today. P6 4.5 GHZ :D

Oh, and in most intel hides a little amd - copy - paste. :D
 

rtzouves

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Pah, who cares... I don't care if intel probes AMD's backside for the absolute top secrets.... so long as they pass them on to the consumer. Same Applies to AMD, really couldn't give a rats @ss so long as it benefits the end user.
 

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despite the ethical considerations, i think we can agree that performance-wise, intels are the CPUs to get. I had the cash and splashed on an i7. This baby is fast.

My MythTV box (bought at about the same time as the i7) runs an AMD 5600+ on a MN378-VM. Bang for buck there. Agreeing with the point of upgradeability it can go to a Phenom X4 9950 (HD995ZXAJ4BGH),2.6GHz,125W,rev.B3,SocketAM2+,Quad-Core. I think at a grand and a half i'll upgrade nonetheless
 

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despite the ethical considerations, i think we can agree that performance-wise, intels are the CPUs to get. I had the cash and splashed on an i7. This baby is fast.

My MythTV box (bought at about the same time as the i7) runs an AMD 5600+ on a MN378-VM. Bang for buck there. Agreeing with the point of upgradeability it can go to a Phenom X4 9950 (HD995ZXAJ4BGH),2.6GHz,125W,rev.B3,SocketAM2+,Quad-Core. I think at a grand and a half i'll upgrade nonetheless

getting the first gen phenoms can't be an upgrade :p
 

milomak

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getting the first gen phenoms can't be an upgrade :p
:D

tbf running an X4 9550 in the mythbox would be overkill. even as it stands it runs 1080p very well.

I actually see the board can run upto an Phenom IIX4 965 (HDZ965FBK4DGI),3.4GHz,140W,rev.C2,SocketAM3,Quad-Core. Which again points to the upgradeability point.
 

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:D

tbf running an X4 9550 in the mythbox would be overkill. even as it stands it runs 1080p very well.

I actually see the board can run upto an Phenom IIX4 965 (HDZ965FBK4DGI),3.4GHz,140W,rev.C2,SocketAM3,Quad-Core. Which again points to the upgradeability point.

A 775(Celeron to Core 2 Quad) and 1156(Pentium to i7) socket boards provide the same type of upgrade functionality you talk of. So it all depends on your budget.
 

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go rouxenator :D

quote from wikipedia: "By late 2008, netbooks had begun to take market share away from laptops.[11] In contrast to earlier, largely failed attempts to establish mini computers as a new class of mainstream personal computing devices built around comparatively expensive platforms requiring proprietary software applications or imposing severe usability limitations, the recent success of netbooks can also be attributed to the fact that PC technology has now matured enough to allow truly cost optimized implementations with enough performance to suit the needs of a majority of PC users. This is illustrated by the fact that typical system performance of a netbook is on the level of a mainstream PC in 2001, at around one quarter of the cost. While this performance level suffices for most of the user needs, it caused an increased interest in resource-efficient applications such as Google's Chrome, and forced Microsoft to extend availability of Windows XP in order to secure market share. It is estimated that almost thirty times more netbooks were sold in 2008 (11.4 million, 70% of which were in Europe[12]) than in 2007 (400,000).[13] For 2009, sales are expected to jump to 35 million, rising to an estimated 139 million in 2013.[14] This trend is reinforced by the rise of web-based applications as well as mobile networking and, according to Wired Magazine, netbooks are evolving into "super-portable laptops for professionals".[15]

Microsoft and Intel have tried to "cement" netbooks in the low end of the market to protect mainstream notebook PC sales, because they get lower margins on low-cost models. The companies have limited the specifications of netbooks, but despite this original equipment manufacturers have announced higher-end netbooks models as of March 2009.[16]"
 

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ARM launches attack on Intel's netbook stranglehold

British chip designer ARM is launching an outright attack on Intel with the launch of a 2GHz processor aimed at everything from netbooks to servers.

ARM claims the 40nm Cortex A9 MPCore processor represents a shift in strategy for the company, which has until now concentrated on low-power processors for mobile devices.

"In the past we've very much focused on wireless - it's been all about power efficiency," Eric Schom, ARM's vice president of marketing told PC Pro. "In this case we've taken off the handcuffs and made performance our primary goal."

read more...
 

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Core2 Duo was a good achievement for intel and it offered worthy competition for AMD. Keep in mind that it still came from intel, a company with a history of toss ups so buying a core2 duo was the dumbest thing you could do. It still used the dated FSB approach and, as said before, it was still an intel.

Wow, ROCK SOLID reasoning there...


(pause for effect)


NOT!
 

King Hamster

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I was referring to his "hurr durr durr it was made by Intel therefore it sux because it is an Intel" style of debating.
 
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Perhaps you should read the rest and see why it sux when it is made by intel.
 

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Perhaps you should read the rest and see why it sux when it is made by intel.

Most of the reasons why you think Intel sucks is due to things they did when computers weren't that big of a thing (when people wouldn't really notice the cache missing, and so on). Nowadays, Intel, AMD, Via, ARM, all these companies have to make sure that the products made are what they say they are (ARM just makes architecture, so if there's hardware faults, it's the company making the hardware)

Just think about it. If intel release a celeron with no cache, or an i7 with a piece missing, then people would be screaming up and down hallways waving their arms in the air, demanding a new pc, house and cat.

I agree that AMD's marketing and legal teams consist of a monkey and his shoe, and Intel has make it their business to out smart the general public and shake their booty, which actually costs less then spending copious (yes, I too can throw in big words) amounts of money on engineers exorbitant salaries, and making new architectures (eg, AMD).
Look at the Pentium 4 range, Intel made god damn sure every man, women, child and their dog knew Pentium 4's were the shizz, even though it wasn't.

AMD has however decided to follow suit and start a little marketing, eg: The Future is Fusion, however, AMD now has it's balls in a vice because, well they don't have the money to spend like Intel.

You can't argue, the Core2duo was amazing. AMD did see a niche, and figured 'Hmmm, I like one core, but lets put two cores together'. This was clever and all, but basically it was two Athlons on the same die, no real changes in architecture. Mean while Intel handed the contract for the now Core2 ... to the team in Israel (iirc, wikipedia, you gotta love it :p). This team designed the Pentium M, and after handed this massive contract for all cpu's (laptop, desktop, server), they needed to use an existing Intel (to avoid law suits) architecture, they chose the P6 because they can modify it a lot with current tech (clever Jews :p).

The Intel core 2 duo really did wipe the floor from AMD. This wasn't because of just marketing, the Core 2 Duo range was a seriously powerful architecture. What did win the hearts of the educated few (who used to buy AMD) was the very liberal overclocking potential and the higher performance that has put AMD into a speed wobble so bad that they are still suffering.

AMD is very good at what they do, and Intel is very good at what they do. However, when it comes to performance and market share, Intel has the medal this time round. However, being such a competitive market, AMD might pull a fast one on Intel next year and take the performance crown. The same discussion had be had between Nvidia and ATI/AMD.


You are making irrational ideas base who you support. Dude, this isn't football. I won't insult you (I trust I haven't,yet), but common. This is sorta like when you looking for a car, even die hard Alfa fans will concede that the BMW engineers have done a good job with the 3 litre engine in the 330i (200kw from a 3 litre, that is impressive). You basically reject everything intel does and then treat what AMD does as if it god's gift to the world. That's stupid, the i7 is a monster, faster then what AMD can dish out (at this point in time), and the Core 2 architecture was a truly awe striking architecture, Intel got it right so far. What does this all mean? Well your irrational patriotism towards one company, and against the other company makes you a FanBoy (wikipedia this one, and remember I said I haven't insulted you yet, this is that yet :p)
 

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You intel supporters do realize that if AMD dies, we're all screwed. CPU advance will just stop. We'll get expensive processors with 100mhz between them. It's not worth the risk.
 

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That's why I'm waiting for ARM to take over, Linux is already on-board.
 
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