Kilgore_Trout_Redux
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Why You Should Avoid Taking Vaccines
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Ou grote
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I blame the X-Files.
Aeron
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http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_do_some_people_not_believe_in_vaccines
Thought this might be relevant. I don't agree with everything said on that page but it's a different angle and contains some valid points.
Looks like I was wrong Brendan; you can't think for yourself. When something doesn't fit within your (seemingly very narrow) horizons, it must be a UFO because you know everything. Or maybe because, in your ignorance, you rally to the established order of things and put your trust in the same place everyone else does. The inability to state specifically the parts of my post that you don't agree with, furthers this idea.
I don't blame you though; last I checked you have a sprog (could be mistaken) and the general consesus is that not vaccinating in a country like South Africa probably isn't the best option. But just because you think I'm wrong, doesn't mean you should stop thinking. It's the age old concept of "Don't believe me, just listen to what I'm saying."
Vaccinating those millions of impoverished people in Africa though, is retarded. Those people have terrible health, not only from their current sitaution but also due to poor genetics. They're not the first generation of sick people, their parents' parents were. And since you need a healthy system to handle the vaccine and build up a resistance, those people are more likely to actually contract the very illness the vaccine was supposed to protect against.
Thought this might be relevant. I don't agree with everything said on that page but it's a different angle and contains some valid points.
Looks like I was wrong Brendan; you can't think for yourself. When something doesn't fit within your (seemingly very narrow) horizons, it must be a UFO because you know everything. Or maybe because, in your ignorance, you rally to the established order of things and put your trust in the same place everyone else does. The inability to state specifically the parts of my post that you don't agree with, furthers this idea.
I don't blame you though; last I checked you have a sprog (could be mistaken) and the general consesus is that not vaccinating in a country like South Africa probably isn't the best option. But just because you think I'm wrong, doesn't mean you should stop thinking. It's the age old concept of "Don't believe me, just listen to what I'm saying."
Vaccinating those millions of impoverished people in Africa though, is retarded. Those people have terrible health, not only from their current sitaution but also due to poor genetics. They're not the first generation of sick people, their parents' parents were. And since you need a healthy system to handle the vaccine and build up a resistance, those people are more likely to actually contract the very illness the vaccine was supposed to protect against.
gboy
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i got vaccinated and then got some booster shots a bit later in life. I am fine.
IT should be LAW, and if there is a reaction you will maybe find that the baby had some other problem that it reacted with.
For example, in flu shots they ask you if you are allergic to eggs.
People who think kids should not be vaccinated are loons.
Its been proven to work
IT should be LAW, and if there is a reaction you will maybe find that the baby had some other problem that it reacted with.
For example, in flu shots they ask you if you are allergic to eggs.
People who think kids should not be vaccinated are loons.
Its been proven to work
Kilgore_Trout_Redux
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Look, when it comes to trusting many doctors and scientists who have dedicated their lives to this issue or some anonymous internet dude/tte called ID1167058792 I'll go with the former every time.
+1
@aeron - I agree one should be sceptical, try to think independently etc. blah blah blah...
But, will you vaccinate your children or not?
Aeron
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"Look, when it comes to trusting many doctors and scientists who have dedicated their lives to this issue"
Dedicated their lives? God you're naive. They study, they work, they get paid. Scientists are government funded in most countries so if a government wants its people to be vaccinated, because the pharma company that paid the current establishment's election campaign wants it, then the scientists will tell you only what you want to hear. I'm not saying they're lying, I am saying they withhold information that you wouldn't want to believe anyway. The mercury quantity in vaccines used on children doesn't unsettle you at all? Do you have ANY idea what mercury does to your sprog's brain and body?
Vaccines can protect you, I admit. But they have a lot of possible negative effects that are being thrown under the table for the profit of some and the placebo peace of mind of others. Is it that difficult to extend the train of thought one step further?
Dedicated their lives? God you're naive. They study, they work, they get paid. Scientists are government funded in most countries so if a government wants its people to be vaccinated, because the pharma company that paid the current establishment's election campaign wants it, then the scientists will tell you only what you want to hear. I'm not saying they're lying, I am saying they withhold information that you wouldn't want to believe anyway. The mercury quantity in vaccines used on children doesn't unsettle you at all? Do you have ANY idea what mercury does to your sprog's brain and body?
Vaccines can protect you, I admit. But they have a lot of possible negative effects that are being thrown under the table for the profit of some and the placebo peace of mind of others. Is it that difficult to extend the train of thought one step further?
Anony-mousse
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@ Dude111
Do you put your seat belt on?
Do you put your seat belt on?
Anony-mousse
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Thanks to people like you conspiracy theories will be there forever. And you probably have a bad persecution complex as well if you think that what you say about the election campaign is true. Never heard such a bs. Is there only one pharma company, scientist, political party involved that you think it might be so easy to control something huge like that? Please, don't be so naive.
Oh my the list on mybb is growing:
1) Creationists
2) Remember that dude that said vitamins would cure aids? And that HRVs were designed to kill people.
3) Holocaust denialists (yup we got em)
4) Lunar landing denialists
4 1/2) this was only one person.. but basically anything Zana said.
5) Vaccination denialists (our latest entry).
1) Creationists
2) Remember that dude that said vitamins would cure aids? And that HRVs were designed to kill people.
3) Holocaust denialists (yup we got em)
4) Lunar landing denialists
4 1/2) this was only one person.. but basically anything Zana said.
5) Vaccination denialists (our latest entry).
Anony-mousse
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Have you heard about this one person who got tangled by his seat belt and burned to death in his car?
Shame, if people just wouldn't wear their seat belts. Do you actually have an idea what risk this is to wear your seat belt? Imagine you have an accident and you can't get out of the car because your release button is jammed because the guy who manufactured it was a bit careless for a moment and dropped his freshly chewed fingernail into the mechanism and the guy who was supposed to check its functionality was very tired that day because the night before he was heavy partying with the step sister of the brothers friend who actually knew the guy that burned to death.
But the real problem about the whole thing is that he wouldn't have burned to death if he would have just listened to Aeron and those guys who deny vaccations and not have gone to the doctor only a few weeks before to influence his brain with an overdose of mercury which eventually made him colour blind for a second and he crossed the red robot causing this terrible accident that cost his life.
Shame man!
Shame, if people just wouldn't wear their seat belts. Do you actually have an idea what risk this is to wear your seat belt? Imagine you have an accident and you can't get out of the car because your release button is jammed because the guy who manufactured it was a bit careless for a moment and dropped his freshly chewed fingernail into the mechanism and the guy who was supposed to check its functionality was very tired that day because the night before he was heavy partying with the step sister of the brothers friend who actually knew the guy that burned to death.
But the real problem about the whole thing is that he wouldn't have burned to death if he would have just listened to Aeron and those guys who deny vaccations and not have gone to the doctor only a few weeks before to influence his brain with an overdose of mercury which eventually made him colour blind for a second and he crossed the red robot causing this terrible accident that cost his life.
Shame man!
gboy
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+1000
Aeron
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Well, I thought it quite simple. Let's use Obama. Obama favours science above religion when it comes to "solutions", unlike Bush. So, since a pharma company makes its profits off of science, it would seem logical that all pharma companies would contribute to Obama's election campaign. Obama gets elected, swine flu breaks out a few months later and the Obama administration makes forced vaccination law. Vaccinations are developed by a company and they get all their campaign contributions back because they own the license. That's how the "woohoo major election conspiracy" works. Only conspiratorial for mollusks.
As for the vaccinations, I'm not saying "don't vaccinate". Not at all. I'm saying actually spend some of your oh-so-valuable time by reading up and thinking about vaccinations before you put the lives of your children in the hands of others. It seems that people tend to do things 99% of the time because "everyone else is doing it". If your kid gets “Down” Syndrome from a vaccination; would you be so petty when it comes to comparing the risks?
Since conspiracy theories seem to befuddle you into submission, here's a simple suggestion; more of a repeat, just in third grader language. A major optical health company discovers an incredibly simple, painless, nearly infallible, cheap way to cure various forms of eye problems, like myopia, astigmatism etc. They also happen to own the license for LASIK, the risky, painful, and exponentially more expensive treatment for similar things.
LASIK cost them lots of money to develop. To make up for that R&D, they simply refuse to license the cheap, safe alternative and keep selling the expensive, dangerous one. They have a monopoly, because they own LASIK and the alternative.
If this, and the application of this concept to the swine flu vaccinations (both the cost and the danger concepts), are too hard to understand, well...don't worry about it. Your single minded belief is such a strong placebo, you could probably philosophy Einstein back into existence.
Consider yourself fortunate, anony. Usually I don't take the time to explain myself to melodramatic retards. I understand the pharmaceutical industry somewhat better than most people. Been there, done that.
As for the vaccinations, I'm not saying "don't vaccinate". Not at all. I'm saying actually spend some of your oh-so-valuable time by reading up and thinking about vaccinations before you put the lives of your children in the hands of others. It seems that people tend to do things 99% of the time because "everyone else is doing it". If your kid gets “Down” Syndrome from a vaccination; would you be so petty when it comes to comparing the risks?
Since conspiracy theories seem to befuddle you into submission, here's a simple suggestion; more of a repeat, just in third grader language. A major optical health company discovers an incredibly simple, painless, nearly infallible, cheap way to cure various forms of eye problems, like myopia, astigmatism etc. They also happen to own the license for LASIK, the risky, painful, and exponentially more expensive treatment for similar things.
LASIK cost them lots of money to develop. To make up for that R&D, they simply refuse to license the cheap, safe alternative and keep selling the expensive, dangerous one. They have a monopoly, because they own LASIK and the alternative.
If this, and the application of this concept to the swine flu vaccinations (both the cost and the danger concepts), are too hard to understand, well...don't worry about it. Your single minded belief is such a strong placebo, you could probably philosophy Einstein back into existence.
Consider yourself fortunate, anony. Usually I don't take the time to explain myself to melodramatic retards. I understand the pharmaceutical industry somewhat better than most people. Been there, done that.
Anony-mousse
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So what you are basically telling us is that swine flu is a man made thing brought to life by the us government?
Thanks a lot, I'm glad to have you.
Now I'm outta here, this is getting annoying
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Kilgore_Trout_Redux
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Aeron, you don't get Downs syndrome from vaccinations.
A handful of people think that the MMR vaccine causes Downs because it's about the age when the symptoms start to show that you vaccinate with the MMR. In this case correlation does not equal causation. As a parent I understand how parents want to find something to blame when something happens to their children - vaccines just aren't it. I did some research and even the scientists who mentioned there might be a link have gone on to say they are wrong.
A handful of people think that the MMR vaccine causes Downs because it's about the age when the symptoms start to show that you vaccinate with the MMR. In this case correlation does not equal causation. As a parent I understand how parents want to find something to blame when something happens to their children - vaccines just aren't it. I did some research and even the scientists who mentioned there might be a link have gone on to say they are wrong.
Nanfeishen
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If there is no danger to Vaccines, then why would the following have been done?
US Gov Asks Court to Seal Vaccine Records
http://www.ahrp.org/infomail/1102/27.php
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=62138
http://www.vaclib.org/news/protectlilly.htm
Then there are the studies by drug companies put into question:
Merck’s prolific use of ghostwriters to produce medical-research
http://industry.bnet.com/pharma/100030/cognitive-dissonance-on-pharma-ghostwriting/
Good reading:
http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/vaccines/deadlyimm.html
Finally an offer:
$20,000 Offer to U.S.-licensed medical doctors
http://curezone.com/art/read.asp?ID=93&db=1&C0=735
An update to the offer:
http://curezone.com/art/read.asp?ID=94&db=1&C0=735
so far cannot verify if the offer has been taken up.
At the end of the day it seems this is a fairly controversial subject.
US Gov Asks Court to Seal Vaccine Records
http://www.ahrp.org/infomail/1102/27.php
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=62138
http://www.vaclib.org/news/protectlilly.htm
Then there are the studies by drug companies put into question:
http://curezone.com/art/read.asp?ID=118&db=1&C0=735
http://www.skepticalinvestigations.org/objectivity/ghostwriting.htm
Merck’s prolific use of ghostwriters to produce medical-research
http://industry.bnet.com/pharma/100030/cognitive-dissonance-on-pharma-ghostwriting/
http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pmed.1000023
Good reading:
http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/vaccines/deadlyimm.html
Finally an offer:
$20,000 Offer to U.S.-licensed medical doctors
http://curezone.com/art/read.asp?ID=93&db=1&C0=735
An update to the offer:
http://curezone.com/art/read.asp?ID=94&db=1&C0=735
so far cannot verify if the offer has been taken up.
At the end of the day it seems this is a fairly controversial subject.
Aeron
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"At the end of the day it seems this is a fairly controversial subject."
No it isn't. It's a done deal; people don't want to believe there's anything wrong with the vaccines. Controversy is supported by many people. Conspiracy is supported by hippies alone.
Exactly what happened with the economic crisis. Everyone was buying houses, so everyone else bought houses too. Everyone was getting in debt to live the high life, so everyone else did it. Even though many people said trouble was coming. No one believed them. Because they didn't want to believe their paradise was about to come crashing down on them.
But now that something serious has happened, everyone is listening to the old doomsayers.
I have to admit, if I have to name the single most important thing I've learned about the medical world, it's that ignorance is bliss.
No it isn't. It's a done deal; people don't want to believe there's anything wrong with the vaccines. Controversy is supported by many people. Conspiracy is supported by hippies alone.
Exactly what happened with the economic crisis. Everyone was buying houses, so everyone else bought houses too. Everyone was getting in debt to live the high life, so everyone else did it. Even though many people said trouble was coming. No one believed them. Because they didn't want to believe their paradise was about to come crashing down on them.
But now that something serious has happened, everyone is listening to the old doomsayers.
I have to admit, if I have to name the single most important thing I've learned about the medical world, it's that ignorance is bliss.
From your first link -
wtf
are you serious?You still haven't answered my question. Will you vaccinate your children own children or not?
Nanfeishen
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From your first link -
wtf
Okay so i assume that out of all the articles on that page, you are refering to this footnote link at the bottom of the page under sponsors.
http://www.naturalcancerremedies.com/
I also gather from your reaction, that alternative and complimentary practices WRT cancer in your opinion are just bull.
Do you have the big C, and have you personally read or tried anything from the book in question?
Some reading material to enlighten:
Alternative cancer treatments Info centre:
http://cancertutor.com/
Interesting article
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_277-278/ai_n16702337/pg_2/
Very good site:
http://www.cancerdecisions.com/
from above site:
Complementary And Alternative (CAM) Cancer Treatments In Germany
http://www.cancerdecisions.com/content/view/187/2/lang,english/
Complementary and alternative cancer treatments in Germany
http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-38018251_ITM
Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine
http://www.liebertpub.com/products/product.aspx?pid=26
And:
http://www.alternative-cancer.net/
The quote below sums it all up.
I haven't had the flu in like.. a long time, the last time i had it i skipped the vaccine. I am curious how often people get sick when they never had any vaccines.. also, these anti-vaccine people.. were they vaccinated against basic stuff? if not, being SA you better live in a bubble..