Widow, son tortured, robbed on farm

marine1 said:
Animal scum bags !! May god himself send these animals to hell
These are hate crimes, plain and simple.
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i sometimes think death is too good for them, and if they ever touched my family i'd do my best to keep them alive, although with a few limbs short
 
smalltownsky said:
according to the right wing this is happening every 5 minutes and black people are immune to crime
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Really? And here I thought they were saying it is Genocide, which by definition it is. :rolleyes:
I don't see crime against blacks by blacks as Genocide. Do you? ( relating to farm attacks - no white people are murdering other white farmers)
 
marine1 said:
Really? And here I thought they were saying it is Genocide, which by definition it is. :rolleyes:
I don't see crime against blacks by blacks as Genocide. Do you? ( relating to farm attacks - no white people are murdering other white farmers)
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i never said it was genocide, i said it was mistaken for genocide. white people murder each other all the time in this country. black people murder other black people all the time too
 
Groblersdal this week.
Friends ( including small children ) were attacked on their farm. the dad was severely beaten up.
Family was attacked on their farm. Uncle Shot in the arm.

Pretoria North:
A friend of my parents’ Daughter was raped and beaten up by the gardener that has worked for the family for 7 years

Nice Week for people I know.
:mad:
 
Love how the right wing likes to pre-empt us... that way they can go with their happy clappy racist fear mongering.
Don't stop on my account though. I'll leave you to it.
 
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smalltownsky said:
i never said it was genocide, i said it was mistaken for genocide. white people murder each other all the time in this country. black people murder other black people all the time too
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Lol, where did I say that you said it was Genocide? I AM saying it is genocide because, surprise surprise, it IS !!
Genocide watch even say it is....wakey wakey.
 
R13... said:
Love how the right wing likes to pre-empt us... that way they can go with their happy clappy racist fear mongering.
Don't stop on my account though. I'll leave you to it.
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What group?
Black?
ANC ?
Human?
 
marine1 said:
Lol, where did I say that you said it was Genocide? I AM saying it is genocide because, surprise surprise, it IS !!
Genocide watch even say it is....wakey wakey.
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it isn't genocide. genocide watch is a biased website in the first place, just like UFO watch would confirm any inkling of an UFO story as proof of an UFO. until my rights are taken away from me and we are lined up for execution in gas chambers and in front of firing squads, it is to me personally insulting to suggest that this is genocide, as i've seen real genocide, and this isn't even ****ing close
 
smalltownsky said:
it isn't genocide. genocide watch is a biased website in the first place, just like UFO watch would confirm any inkling of an UFO story as proof of an UFO. until my rights are taken away from me and we are lined up for execution in gas chambers and in front of firing squads, it is to me personally insulting to suggest that this is genocide, as i've seen real genocide, and this isn't even ****ing close
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Really? Oh right you are clearly the world expert on this matter and I mean who the hell do Genocide Watch think they are anyway???? :rolleyes:
You have seen it first hand? Yeah right. Insulting to you? When then I hope you feel insulted. Try explaining your feelings to the thousands of murdered framers' families .....moving along.
 
Albereth said:
All the time? Really?
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well, not every 5 minutes, but there are cases where people murder spouses or kill their kids, etc. i'm sure there was a police force during the years of apartheid for more than simply shooting at black people :p
 
smalltownsky said:
well, not every 5 minutes, but there are cases where people murder spouses or kill their kids, etc. i'm sure there was a police force during the years of apartheid for more than simply shooting at black people :p
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:confused:
Genocide:
Genocide is defined as "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group",[1] though what constitutes enough of a "part" to qualify as genocide has been subject to much debate by legal scholars.[2] While a precise definition varies among genocide scholars, a legal definition is found in the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG). Article 2 of this convention defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."[3]
 
Albereth said:
All the time? Really?
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I don't think he was speaking in a literal way.

The way i see it is that the black population is allot larger then the other races and still increasing at an alarming rate and they aren't exactly the wealthiest so it makes sense that some of them will become criminals and prey on the wealthier races.
 
R13 while I admit that some people do take this "genocide" a tad too far, you cannot for the life of you condemn the fear that the ANC and specifically the likes of the ANCYL inspires in a white minority group. You either have to have such white guilt that you are blind to the systematic attacks and unnecessary violence that goes hand in hand with farm attacks and land invasion.

You say white people murder other whites and black people murder other black people every day, but where is the hate that results in rape, sodomy, flagellation, and the torture of men, woman and children in these attacks? Yes, in the past, despicable acts have been perpetuated by far right individuals, but you cannot lump the entire "Boer" community in with these far right groups. The ANCYL does and the continued use of certain struggle songs (debatable) they perpetuate a myth that every farmer is a racist who abuses his workers, pays them nothing and has a copy of Mein Kampf in a cupboard somewhere.

I've been around farms and farmers my whole life in KZN, and I have yet to see any mistreatment of farm workers. In fact most farmers and their workers are legacies. The children want to work on the farms because it's familiar and they are treated well. They become more than baas and worker, they become family. It's this community which is being systematically destroyed in Southern Africa, all because a few insane individuals cannot see past the "revolution".
 
marine1 said:
Really? Oh right you are clearly the world expert on this matter and I mean who the hell do Genocide Watch think they are anyway???? :rolleyes:
You have seen it first hand? Yeah right. Insulting to you? When then I hope you feel insulted. Try explaining your feelings to the thousands of murdered framers' families .....moving along.
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i can say the same for you then - where is your paper degree on genocide?

read this:

United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG). Article 2 of this convention defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."
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now read this definition of Genocide:

"the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group"
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now what is "systematic" about leaving loose ends and not killing people, demanding money, attacking black farm workers along with the white farmers? if anythign these are just racists and derranged people attacking weak targets. now prove to me why it is genocide, prove to me the motivation to kill of white people without conspiracies and i'll pay more attention.
 
ah, marine1, i see we just have different views on what genocide is. i am not denying that white people are being murdered brutally and irrationally, i am arguing the motivations behind it. to me genocide is a lot more methodical and organised, more similar and effective. i'm not even defendign the ANC, they're a useless lot, but they're not genocidal maniacs
 
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