Widow, son tortured, robbed on farm

Fudzy said:
Well if police statistics are to be even vaguely believed our reporting on crime in the press is extremely mininal and very biased given the demographics of the country. Have you ever read a Daily Sun newspaper? Or a community newspaper? Compare that to a major newspaper and see the difference in what stories get highlighted.
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not the daily sun but the local newspaper for my community. Crime does exist but if there is a rape its a case of rape, not torture and rape (I actually see rape as torture in itself but for the benefit of this discussion I am separating the two). If there is a case of murder it's murder (usually some drunk @#% that stabbed some other drunk @#%, not torture and murder. You see what I mean?
 
warchylde said:
Dude seriously - where have you heard of a black woman being burned with boiling water, continously beaten then raped? It's the severity and brutality of the attacks that are causing the people to classify it the way they have been. All South Africans are suffering under crimes (white, black and coloured alike) but the way these are acted out on the farming community sends a very clear message.
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i see it all the time, awhile back in the news a whole black family was killed on a farm. i read about orrible things done to women in townships in my newspapers. i don't document these like censorbug, but i have read them, and thinking black people are immune to this is part of my problem with this whole genocide story, all of a sudden black people have it easy and aren't as important as these farmers. i'm not saying with regards to your comment, but others seem to be deluded to this
 
Fudzy said:
Okay no need to get on a bandwagon trying to change the focus of this discussion , I'm just saying that in the majority of farm attacks, guns are stolen. And yes I know that Boer =/= Right wing. From an outsiders view though you could understand the confusion when looking at Terrblanche murder/trial/funeral
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You are the confused one, always defending the racist ANC and the racist crimes. If the roles were reversed and it was a black family brutalized by a white gang then all the papers, the ANC government and You will be shouting racist murder. You are all to keen like the racist ANC government to skew statistics and make this a "bodged up robbery" and not a violent racist hate crime by some that never evolved out of the bush.
 
smalltownsky said:
i see it all the time, awhile back in the news a whole black family was killed on a farm. i read about orrible things done to women in townships in my newspapers. i don't document these like censorbug, but i have read them, and thinking black people are immune to this is part of my problem with this whole genocide story, all of a sudden black people have it easy and aren't as important as these farmers. i'm not saying with regards to your comment, but others seem to be deluded to this
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Give links to such prove please! I would like the facts and not your opinionated version. If true were they also brutalized?
 
warchylde said:
not the daily sun but the local newspaper for my community. Crime does exist but if there is a rape its a case of rape, not torture and rape (I actually see rape as torture in itself but for the benefit of this discussion I am separating the two). If there is a case of murder it's murder (usually some drunk @#% that stabbed some other drunk @#%, not torture and murder. You see what I mean?
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He can't, he's got his ANC blinkers on. Same racism shines through everytime.
 
MegasXLR said:
Give links to such prove please! I would like the facts and not your opinionated version. If true were they also brutalized?
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i remember brutalized versions of stories, but i don't keep links to these things or save the newspaper clippings as i'm not obsessed with murder and genocide. sorry, my ANC-lying opinion is all i have. next time i read one though i'll be sure to save it and run online and show you.
 
smalltownsky said:
i remember brutalized versions of stories, but i don't keep links to these things or save the newspaper clippings as i'm not obsessed with murder and genocide. sorry, my ANC-lying opinion is all i have. next time i read one though i'll be sure to save it and run online and show you.
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Please do that as to get the truth from You and your MyBB ANC friends will be impossible. If you give us the prove then we can reconsider our views.
 
MegasXLR said:
You are the confused one, always defending the racist ANC and the racist crimes. If the roles were reversed and it was a black family brutalized by a white gang then all the papers, the ANC government and You will be shouting racist murder. You are all to keen like the racist ANC government to skew statistics and make this a "bodged up robbery" and not a violent racist hate crime by some that never evolved out of the bush.
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yes yes, i hear that all the time, if the tables were turned THEN there would be hell. yes, you know us so well, you're onto us dastardly liberals. :p

i don't liek the ANC very much, but i don't see a difference between them and the people who believe in a white genocide, both up in the air with their heads in the clouds
 
MegasXLR said:
You are the confused one, always defending the racist ANC and the racist crimes. If the roles were reversed and it was a black family brutalized by a white gang then all the papers, the ANC government and You will be shouting racist murder. You are all to keen like the racist ANC government to skew statistics and make this a "bodged up robbery" and not a violent racist hate crime by some that never evolved out of the bush.
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MegasXLR said:
He can't, he's got his ANC blinkers on. Same racism shines through everytime.
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Lol, MegasXLR, we've had this discussion before. I do not support the ANC anymore than you support the AWB. What is it exactly that you take offence to?
 
smalltownsky said:
yes yes, i hear that all the time, if the tables were turned THEN there would be hell. yes, you know us so well, you're onto us dastardly liberals. :p

i don't liek the ANC very much, but i don't see a difference between them and the people who believe in a white genocide, both up in the air with their heads in the clouds
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The difference between them is this. The people who are screaming about white genocide don't want special treatment, or seperate homelands or the reintroduction of Apartheid. They just want it acknowledged that White South African farmers are the victims of racial hate crimes and that it needs to be stopped. The ANC on the other hand only perpetuate a cycle of hatred. The Sins of the father are being passed to the sons and daughters of this land without the understanding that reconciliation cannot happen without forgiveness.
 
@smalltownsky

You have to admit that the man has a point - if these crimes were committed by whites on blacks there would be one hell of an outcry no? If you see it all the time how come the rest of us don't. I keep a rather close eye on the violence being reported in the country with media that is available to me (NEWS24, IOL, Timeslive, Eyewitness news, The Sowetan, local newspapers) and I have to be honest - I am having a hard time recalling any cases where a group of men attacked a whole family raped all the women while the men are forced to watch, torture all of them before killing all of them etc.... If you can provide links to articles about this it would actually be much appreciated.
 
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S7wede said:
The difference between them is this. The people who are screaming about white genocide don't want special treatment, or seperate homelands or the reintroduction of Apartheid. They just want it acknowledged that White South African farmers are the victims of racial hate crimes and that it needs to be stopped. The ANC on the other hand only perpetuate a cycle of hatred. The Sins of the father are being passed to the sons and daughters of this land without the understanding that reconciliation cannot happen without forgiveness.
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The problem is that while the majority of farmers (black, white, english, afrikaans whatever) want the problem resolved you have these action groups wanting exactly what you mentioned they didn't. It doesn't matter as they are all painted with the same brush, the same is said for deaf ears that these crys fall on as well as the politicians/police who actually do want to resolve this problem.
 
smalltownsky said:
and you missed the rest of the sentence. so i take it you support the AWB then? so far i've been sticking up for black and white south africans, but you have blinkers on and think white south africans are the only people who get murdered and raped? that is the only logical conclusion i can come to :p
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No I did not miss the rest of the sentence at all. I do not care what you post or where you post what, of relevance for me is only your attitude in this thread for what happened to these poor folks.
 
S7wede said:
The difference between them is this. The people who are screaming about white genocide don't want special treatment, or seperate homelands or the reintroduction of Apartheid. They just want it acknowledged that White South African farmers are the victims of racial hate crimes and that it needs to be stopped. The ANC on the other hand only perpetuate a cycle of hatred. The Sins of the father are being passed to the sons and daughters of this land without the understanding that reconciliation cannot happen without forgiveness.
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i disagree. i know a lot of people screaming about white genocide who want a volkstaat and to leave the country, and of THAT i do have proof, in fact i have the entire facebook for that. not everyone that believes in the white genocide is the same, but the problem is it's the nut cases who are the most vocal about it. "Uhuru" is incredibly retarded and insensitive to black people, but i can tell you now that 80% of people who believe in white genocide believe in it, and to me that is a problem.

admiting that farm murders are happening is realistic and i feel it should be addressed, but you can't call it genocide and be taken seriously in my opinion. racism is destroying white farmers from both sides in that case, black people killing white people and white people alienating black people and making them out to be animals. it also doesn't help when you get the lone-gunman on forums who thinks anything "bad" is automatically ANC
 
warchylde said:
@smalltownsky

You have to admit that the man has a point - if these crimes were committed by whites on blacks there would be one hell of an outcry no? If you see it all the time how come the rest of us don't. I keep a rather close eye on the violence being reported in the country with media that is available to me (NEWS24, IOL, Timeslive, Eyewitness news, The Sowetan, local newspapers) and I have to be honest - I am having a hard time recalling any cases where a group of men attacked a whole family raped all the women while the men are forced to watch, torture all of them before killing all of them etc.... If you can provide links to articles about this it would actually be much appreciated.
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there is a huge outcry right now. there would be a huge outcry from any group. the "right wing" are bitching about farm murders - i don't see white boers complaining about low wages and toi-toi-ing, just as i don't see black people taking farmers seriously when they say they have it hard.

i read them in news papers and see them on the news. i don't browse news online and i don't sit here googling this stuff all day to prove a point, i've just read sources in the past and i have come to my conclusions. most people who don't believe in white genocide were baited into coming into this thread with "where are you guys now? huh? huh? we have proof" so i stepped in and pointed out my opinion. now i'm an "ANC bumchum". Megas has called me an ANC fanboi before on this forum and i have ignored it, letting him have his free speech in this genocidal land :p
 
Fudzy said:
The problem is that while the majority of farmers (black, white, english, afrikaans whatever) want the problem resolved you have these action groups wanting exactly what you mentioned they didn't. It doesn't matter as they are all painted with the same brush, the same is said for deaf ears that these crys fall on as well as the politicians/police who actually do want to resolve this problem.
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That is why we tar these action groups with a far right or left brush. We can as they are radical elements. The problem with this, is that the ANC government will not classify a right wing black sector in government as the cadre system they employ, runs to deep into the party. They are oh so very quick to classify fringe white elements, but when it comes to their own, they simply brush off their comments as "it's not ANC policy" and the hotheadedness of youth showing through. What they forget is that the ANCYL is a very dangerous threat to society as they border on the far right alongside the AWB and Riets 4 conspirators, but have the backing of the ruling party when it comes to their constitutional defense.
 
MegasXLR said:
No I did not miss the rest of the sentence at all. I do not care what you post or where you post what, of relevance for me is only your attitude in this thread for what happened to these poor folks.
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yes, these poor "white" folk. i'm sure your heart bleeds for the millions of suffering black people too :rolleyes:
 
S7wede said:
That is why we tar these action groups with a far right or left brush. We can as they are radical elements. The problem with this, is that the ANC government will not classify a right wing black sector in government as the cadre system they employ, runs to deep into the party. They are oh so very quick to classify fringe white elements, but when it comes to their own, they simply brush off their comments as "it's not ANC policy" and the hotheadedness of youth showing through. What they forget is that the ANCYL is a very dangerous threat to society as they border on the far right alongside the AWB and Riets 4 conspirators, but have the backing of the ruling party when it comes to their constitutional defense.
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i agree with you on all of that, but i feel that this fear of the "black masses" is also bad. you have people prepared to kill black people i nthe thousands and feel nothing, and they're excited about war, they're just waiting for the ANC to push, and for that just go to Facebook and do a search on any afrikaans group, you will see the lunatics there immediately
 
smalltownsky said:
i disagree. i know a lot of people screaming about white genocide who want a volkstaat and to leave the country, and of THAT i do have proof, in fact i have the entire facebook for that. not everyone that believes in the white genocide is the same, but the problem is it's the nut cases who are the most vocal about it. "Uhuru" is incredibly retarded and insensitive to black people, but i can tell you now that 80% of people who believe in white genocide believe in it, and to me that is a problem.

admiting that farm murders are happening is realistic and i feel it should be addressed, but you can't call it genocide and be taken seriously in my opinion. racism is destroying white farmers from both sides in that case, black people killing white people and white people alienating black people and making them out to be animals. it also doesn't help when you get the lone-gunman on forums who thinks anything "bad" is automatically ANC
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This was you first post relating to this incident, Now tell me you do not have an agenda. This was nothing at all related to this incident thus you brought up the whole propoganda issue. Again when this was a real case of a very brutal racist hate crime by a black gang against helpless white people. You prefer to downgrade this thread to a right wing bitching thread for your own perverted reasons.

smalltownsky;6241649[B said:
]according to the right wing[/B] this is happening every 5 minutes and black people are immune to crime
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You are shining through like a Malema clone.
 
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