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WiMax pricing explained
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vodacom3g
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Well, neither iBurst nor Vodacom supplies Diginet (nor their own ADSL), so this product is aimed at competing with these fixed line offerings from a competitor. Surely that makes sense?
I don't care what voda and ibust think are best for international connectivity. Why not let me choose? Offer me a Wimax link for a fixed price, and let me choose what to do with it?
Oh, wait, telscum has that option. Guess who I will be contacting if I ever need Wimax...
You can get WiMax for a fixed price and for sure you can decide to do with it what you choose. So I'm missing your point somewhere.
Like any product developed in any industry at any time, you, as the consumer, have the right to use it or not. Your choice. If it's not for you, don't use it. If it is for you, it will make sense.
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vodacom3g
Vodacom Representative
Won't you explain this a bit more? Neither Telkom nor iBurst's WiMax is aimed at mobility, especially the .d network built by Telkom.
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Looking through the post I can see that the journalist has clearly not explained contention ratios so that everybody understands it.
I will try:
Say there is 1MB bandwidth available.
Now it costs say R10000 for this 1MB.
I can then resell this to a client at R15000. This client will have a 1:1 contention ratio.
Or I can resell to 10 clients at R1500 each. These clients will have a 1:10 contention ratio.
Or I can resell to 20 clients at R750 each. These clients will have a 1:20 contention ratio.
In most cases each of these clients will not use the full 1MB permanently. So the sharing is happening without the user noticing it. But as more users use it simultaneously, the bandwidth available to each user will drop lower and lower.
I do however wonder why iburst have not gone for a higher contention ratio for the home users. (But they might still release it) I do however think it has to do to limited number of connections available to each tower.
I will try:
Say there is 1MB bandwidth available.
Now it costs say R10000 for this 1MB.
I can then resell this to a client at R15000. This client will have a 1:1 contention ratio.
Or I can resell to 10 clients at R1500 each. These clients will have a 1:10 contention ratio.
Or I can resell to 20 clients at R750 each. These clients will have a 1:20 contention ratio.
In most cases each of these clients will not use the full 1MB permanently. So the sharing is happening without the user noticing it. But as more users use it simultaneously, the bandwidth available to each user will drop lower and lower.
I do however wonder why iburst have not gone for a higher contention ratio for the home users. (But they might still release it) I do however think it has to do to limited number of connections available to each tower.
Pilgrim
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You can get WiMax for a fixed price and for sure you can decide to do with it what you choose. So I'm missing your point somewhere.
Sorry, I meant I can get the Wimax end of things for a certain price, then choose whatever backend bandwidth I want.
You can get a Wimax connection from telkom for R240 per month. Then you can use any ISP to supply bandwidth of your choice. So in that scenario Wimax is used as it is supposed to be used. As last mile access. That is all Wimax is. Last mile access.
Way way way better than the R"insane" per month, take it or leave it "option".
I am showing you what I think of the product offering. I will not use it. And a heck of a lot of other people will also not be using it.
What bothers me is that voda and ibust can come up with product offerings that only suit their own pockets, not anybody else.
Tel me, do you want your icecream in a square bowl or a round one? <-- Wrong Question. No real options.
Do you want vanilla or chocolate icecream? <-- Correct question. Real options.
How about this for a novel idea: Do you want a low concurrent ratio Wimax or an affordable Wimax?
vodacom3g
Vodacom Representative
Sorry, I meant I can get the Wimax end of things for a certain price, then choose whatever backend bandwidth I want.
You can get a Wimax connection from telkom for R240 per month. Then you can use any ISP to supply bandwidth of your choice. So in that scenario Wimax is used as it is supposed to be used. As last mile access. That is all Wimax is. Last mile access.
Way way way better than the R"insane" per month, take it or leave it "option".
I am showing you what I think of the product offering. I will not use it. And a heck of a lot of other people will also not be using it.
What bothers me is that voda and ibust can come up with product offerings that only suit their own pockets, not anybody else.
Tel me, do you want your icecream in a square bowl or a round one? <-- Wrong Question. No real options.
Do you want vanilla or chocolate icecream? <-- Correct question. Real options.
How about this for a novel idea: Do you want a low concurrent ratio Wimax or an affordable Wimax?
Maybe Telkom and iBurst are targeting different customers?
Everyone here seems to be comparing the iBurst WiMax offering to Telkom DSL. I don't think that they have made any secret of the fact that they don't intend to compete in that space with this product.
Like vodacom3g - I have used this product and the performance difference is quite evident. One of the advantages of WiMax over some of the other wireless standards is its ability to dedicated bandwidth to a specific user device and provide much better QoS management.
The problem is that when you guarantee capacity to one user you cannot sell it to others and this makes the operation of your network (and the products on it) much more expensive.
My needs were a little different from v3g's and I have discontinued my service. However it would have been very different if I had an office full of staff for whom a reliable Internet connection was critical to them being productive on a daily basis.
Telkom ADSL has almost no service guarantee linked to it and it is priced as such. You are welcome to contact Telkom for a quote on their diginet product offerings that are much more in line with these products but be prepared to pay about 10 times the price
Like vodacom3g - I have used this product and the performance difference is quite evident. One of the advantages of WiMax over some of the other wireless standards is its ability to dedicated bandwidth to a specific user device and provide much better QoS management.
The problem is that when you guarantee capacity to one user you cannot sell it to others and this makes the operation of your network (and the products on it) much more expensive.
My needs were a little different from v3g's and I have discontinued my service. However it would have been very different if I had an office full of staff for whom a reliable Internet connection was critical to them being productive on a daily basis.
Telkom ADSL has almost no service guarantee linked to it and it is priced as such. You are welcome to contact Telkom for a quote on their diginet product offerings that are much more in line with these products but be prepared to pay about 10 times the price
Let me correct your analogy a little....
You are assuming that since they both contain Icecream and are served in a cone they should be the same price when in fact:
Telkom WiMax --> Vanilla Icecream
Voda/iBurst WiMax --> Vanilla Icecream, with a Flake and strawberry swirls and dipped in caramel
Its up to you to choose the product that you want. Its a free market after all - I see no sales people running round with guns
how sad. Never even thought of Iburst as actual competition, since it's partially being run by Vodacom. With Vodacon being telkom's puppet for so many years now, sentech also being part of another goverment owned corporation(SABC). All these companies seem like they are just there to back telkom.. and make sure telkom doesn't have to lower their prices.
The only companies I would trust with my money now is Screamer, Virgin mobile or perhaps some WISP(wireless internet service providers) who are specialising in providing you with broadband not just hyping in the media about it.
The only companies I would trust with my money now is Screamer, Virgin mobile or perhaps some WISP(wireless internet service providers) who are specialising in providing you with broadband not just hyping in the media about it.
sunsoffun
Expert Member
.....does anyone smell that.... something stinks!
Oh found it.... a article on why_max??? (WiMax)
Oh found it.... a article on why_max??? (WiMax)
DapperDanMan
Honorary Master
Re: Latency
As I typed the post above, I just knew someone was going to ask this.
Thank you! How about google.com and nytimes.com and some gaming sites in the USA and UK?
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vodacom3g
Vodacom Representative
DapperDanMan
Honorary Master
Such as? I've got no idea on URL's for gaming servers. My gaming abilities stop at Tennis on the Wii....
First of all, are you ever offline, V3G?
Secondly, you're more of a gamer than me already, so how about callofwow.com and wrathwow.com and wow-europe.com?
And, if it's not too much bother, how about Youtube and Facebook?
vodacom3g
Vodacom Representative
First of all, are you ever offline, V3G?
Secondly, you're more of a gamer than me already, so how about callofwow.com and wrathwow.com and wow-europe.com?
And, if it's not too much bother, how about Youtube and Facebook?
Well, last night I did have an early night. Was in bed just before 2 with the new PCF!
All these sites gave about 350ms with a very tight margin, from about 330 to 370ms.
DapperDanMan
Honorary Master
Good for you! PS: Excuse my ignorance, but who or what is a PCF?Well, last night I did have an early night. Was in bed just before 2 with the new PCF!
Impressive!! That's right on par with what I get on a 384kbps ADSL connection when testing tonight in Gauteng with unshaped Verizon as well as semi-shaped fibre IntSol accounts.
(www.facebook.com is the only site that gave way better ping times: Under 250ms IIRC)
What I find strange is that the IntSol fibre semi-shaped account knocked the socks off the Verizon unshaped account with:
A) Lower ping times
B) More stable/consistent ping times
C) Lower local ping to www.speedtest.net (JHB server)
D) Better download results from www.speedtest.net
I wonder if the ISP (in this case Nashua) has anything to do with it?
vodacom3g
Vodacom Representative
why is telkom/vodacom's wimax so damn slow and Screamer wimax so fast?
I think its because screamer uses Verizon as data provider. And vodacom(iburst) uses Telkom's crappy infrastructure. But im open to your views
I think its because screamer uses Verizon as data provider. And vodacom(iburst) uses Telkom's crappy infrastructure. But im open to your views
wow4life
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why is telkom/vodacom's wimax so damn slow and Screamer wimax so fast?
I think its because screamer uses Verizon as data provider. And vodacom(iburst) uses Telkom's crappy infrastructure. But im open to your views
My route traces and speedtest results show that my Screamer connection links to Telkom for the backhaul.
Generally the speed/latency is very good but something has gone wrong with the Telkom in the last week between approx 6pm and 9pm (lantency jumps by about 1000ms)
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why is telkom/vodacom's wimax so damn slow and Screamer wimax so fast?
I think its because screamer uses Verizon as data provider. And vodacom(iburst) uses Telkom's crappy infrastructure. But im open to your views
We also have our own transmission network so we are able to optimise network speed