Windows 10 Creators Update - what a disaster!

[Scary_Turtle]

I had a strange problem when updating to creators addition, my screen turned into the sun.

Literally its was so bright I had to turn my screen brightness down to 5% (on the screen) but after lots of reading on my phone I figured out it was something to do with my graphics card and the screen brightness Microsoft removed in the creators edition.

An update only came out the next day from AMD which fixed all the issues.

 

[sajunky]

Sorry budy, I am not going to dispute GP settings strategy with the person who didn't use it for at least during the last few months (Strictly speaking when Creators update came out). It is a first time where Microsoft admited that GP settings could be ignored by Microsoft. You clearly wasn't aware of it, as you demaded a proof.

I use GP settings from the beginning on all my installations and I reported a "denial od service" UAC pop up on the clean 1607 installation when 1607 came out. It was forcing me to accept checking and installing updates despite of GP settings. It was sensitive issue, so Microsoft mole immediately called me "unedicated lier". Now when Creators update came out it became obvious that GP settings is conditional - means not binding. This is everything you need to know, as you don't use it. Quoting your replies just for the record.

So this is where the misinformation starts about this topic.
On Windows 10 Pro, without any Group Policy settings, the message in red on the update screen does NOT appear at all. And neither does the note.





Both the above only appear IF you have set local GP settings. If you choose NOT to use the GP options, you should follow through and set the active hours options, the restart Options and the check on the advanced options.

All of these are greyed out IF you use GP.

There is another setting that should be set even if using GP. It is on the Restart options screen.



Under the Advanced Options you are able to Choose when updates are installed. (The download of updates DOES NOT imply that they will be automatically installed).

This option allows you to defer the installation of updates for periods of up to 365 days for non critical updates and 30 days for quality and security updates.

You can temporarily Pause updates for 7 seven days should it be necessary.

Then you can choose HOW updates are downloaded/delivered.

This is the crucial step that all should check, because the defaults are not what most persons would want. The default is ON, and the default is updates downloaded on this PC will be shared with PCs on my local network, and PCs on the Internet

So, if you leave this option ON, then you should at least set it to only share updates with PCs on my local network.

With the above settings:

I am never caught by a update download, nor am I ever surprised by an update installation or a restart. All it now takes is to ensure that you set aside some time every 24 hours when updates can be installed without affecting your work.

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Next time you work with a PC, a new one, with a fresh install of WIN 10 spend a few minutes and check on what the default settings are. At least we will then all be on the same page about what happens after we start making configuration changes.

IF all the customizations are done, updates that may have been downloaded automatically will never catch you out and will only be installed in the time period that you allow. BUT you must take the trouble to set the times or at least be aware of what the defaults are.

What MS did after 1607 is to try and gently force users to deal with updates responsibly. That does not equate to ignoring your GP settings in my book.

 

[Geoff.D]

I am using GP to set how want Updates to be handled and have done so since the very first version of Windows 10.

The subtle difference is that I have taken the trouble to fully understand how to use GP on a stand alone PC to control the update process.

There was no mystery about the change introduced with the 1607 version. It was fully covered by MS at the time! Clearly the only difference is you did not keep track of what the changes were that were introduced with the 1607 version.

Until they bit you in the backside.

BTW:
There are 29 Group Policy settings available for controlling Windows Update, and 2 more for controlling the deferment of Windows updates.
All of the Policies default to "Not Configured", in each case there is a default setting applicable.
Some of the settings are "mutually exclusive" meaning that another setting may make the specific setting irrelevant, even if it is set.
All the GP settings have 3 states, "Not Configured"; "Enabled"; or "Disabled".
Some settings have up to 5 or 6 sub settings when the Policy is enabled.

It is almost completely unnecessary to tamper with registry to try and hack things.

And lastly it is possible to get the GP editor to work on Windows 10 Home. A bat file download is available or one can simply work through the process to download and install the editor on a Windows 10 Home machine.
And none of the above is third party software, just standard MS available stuff.

 

[sajunky]

Unsupported junk. Can't you really read meaning of these words? "We'll ask you to download updates, except when updates are required to keep Windows running smoothly. In that case, we'll automatically download those updates". This not what GP setting was made and I confirm Microsoft is trying to access update servers despite of GP setting. You are trying to apply your philosophy, to prove your agenda, it doesn't work . Prove I am wrong. You have asked me to prove, so I did. Now it is onus on you to prove. Philosophy and temorary hacks do not apply.

I am using GP to set how want Updates to be handled and have done so since the very first version of Windows 10.

The subtle difference is that I have taken the trouble to fully understand how to use GP on a stand alone PC to control the update process.

There was no mystery about the change introduced with the 1607 version. It was fully covered by MS at the time! Clearly the only difference is you did not keep track of what the changes were that were introduced with the 1607 version.

Until they bit you in the backside.

BTW:
There are 29 Group Policy settings available for controlling Windows Update, and 2 more for controlling the deferment of Windows updates.
All of the Policies default to "Not Configured", in each case there is a default setting applicable.
Some of the settings are "mutually exclusive" meaning that another setting may make the specific setting irrelevant, even if it is set.
All the GP settings have 3 states, "Not Configured"; "Enabled"; or "Disabled".
Some settings have up to 5 or 6 sub settings when the Policy is enabled.

It is almost completely unnecessary to tamper with registry to try and hack things.

And lastly it is possible to get the GP editor to work on Windows 10 Home. A bat file download is available or one can simply work through the process to download and install the editor on a Windows 10 Home machine.
And none of the above is third party software, just standard MS available stuff.

 

[genetic]

Rus perfectly smooth on all my PC's and Mac

 

[Geoff.D]

Unsupported junk. Can't you really read meaning of these words? "We'll ask you to download updates, except when updates are required to keep Windows running smoothly. In that case, we'll automatically download those updates". This not what GP setting was made and I confirm Microsoft is trying to access update servers despite of GP setting. You are trying to apply your philosophy, to prove your agenda, it doesn't work . Prove I am wrong. You have asked me to prove, so I did. Now it is onus on you to prove. Philosophy and temorary hacks do not apply.

No hacks needed. Just standard MS facilities already available.
And its says the updates will be downloaded if crucial. It does NOT say they will be installed without your say so. Your settings whether via the update control panel OR via GP settings on the PCs themselves will still be honoured.

I don't know how you are trying to set your servers and I don't actually care either.

 

[RyanPCMR]

Windows 10 Creators Update (version 1703) works perfectly for me and I'm a longtime Windows user and use most of the functions in Microsoft Windows 10 Home on my ASUS ROG laptop. I have upgraded my laptop from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 during their free upgrade period and it's been working just the way I like. Please also install antivirus and a separate firewall for added security and make sure you are up-to-date with the latest updates for your Windows 10 system. People like to complain and then afterwards they admit that they have "maybe" not been keeping their PC updated with the latest updates from Microsoft.

By blocking updates from Microsoft, you are playing the Lotto with your own data on that Windows 10 PC.

 

[sajunky]

No hacks needed. Just standard MS facilities already available.
And its says the updates will be downloaded if crucial. It does NOT say they will be installed without your say so. Your settings whether via the update control panel OR via GP settings on the PCs themselves will still be honoured.

I don't know how you are trying to set your servers and I don't actually care either.

Really? It says in contrary written black on white. You said the above before and I asked you for a proof for this statement. Where is a proof, pale?

GP settings had been ignored already in 1607 when gestapo UAC forced me to accept updates (screenshot was already posted in this thread). Now it is even worse, as you don't care.

 

[Geoff.D]

Really? It says in contrary written black on white. You said the above before and I asked you for a proof for this statement. Where is a proof, pale?

GP settings had been ignored already in 1607 when gestapo UAC forced me to accept updates (screenshot was already posted in this thread). Now it is even worse, as you don't care.

The proof you seek is in the descriptions of the various options available in GP. BUT you have to bother to read them and then implement them correctly.

At the moment you are your own worst enemy.

 

[Geoff.D]

Windows 10 Creators Update (version 1703) works perfectly for me and I'm a longtime Windows user and use most of the functions in Microsoft Windows 10 Home on my ASUS ROG laptop. I have upgraded my laptop from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 during their free upgrade period and it's been working just the way I like. Please also install antivirus and a separate firewall for added security and make sure you are up-to-date with the latest updates for your Windows 10 system. People like to complain and then afterwards they admit that they have "maybe" not been keeping their PC updated with the latest updates from Microsoft.

By blocking updates from Microsoft, you are playing the Lotto with your own data on that Windows 10 PC.

Well said! It is the same for most. Those that have problems are the ones who try and swim upstream. Or have the attitude towards MS as expressed by sajunky.

 

[BigBear]

Been like this for last hour..
Hope it isn't broken...

 

[sajunky]

The proof you seek is in the descriptions of the various options available in GP. BUT you have to bother to read them and then implement them correctly.

Nope, I read it carefully. It is in contradiction with other messages. How you can take it as a proof?

Those that have problems are the ones who try and swim upstream. Or have the attitude towards MS as expressed by sajunky.

This is a classic perversion in the situation you cannot supply a proof.

 

[Polymathic]

The update is failing on my machine, It asks me to update and restart but I log back on to my profile I get the update failed notification

 

[BigBear]

Been like this for last hour..
Hope it isn't broken...

Should I reboot / power off ?

 

[Geoff.D]

Close any apps and sw you may have running. If nec close them in task manager.

 

[DeSLAM]

Another system down, checked SrtTrail ....cause is a bad driver delivered through last nights Win 10 update. PC in a permanent "auto repair" loop - and system restore does not even resolve the problem. ⏳. Loved Win 10 till now, time to go back to 7 pro if this is the way forward with autoupdates. Pci-e GForce Nvidia card is not even recognised in the latest update. Its identified as some medeocre 800x600 card.

 

[DeSLAM]

3 hours with Microsoft on the phone...and having to resort to a complete re-install from scratch. Needless to say I'm Even the reinstall had to auto repair itself...pathetic.

 

[Geoff.D]

So now you need to spend a bit of time and work through the settings options all of them.
What did you install win 10 pro or home?
How do you log on? With a ms account or a local account?

 

[DeSLAM]

Hi Geoff - have been attempting to recover this system for 48 hours now with Microsoft on the other end - I've finally decided to revert back to Win 7 on this system - they can keep Windows 10 and its auto updates. There's clearly some cr*p in the new updates - |Windows 10 was fine last month. But this months updates are full of buggs which can and has crashed many systems. Especially ones that upgraded from Win 7 to Win 10.

When I| eventually got the system to boot to desktop at 2am this morning, I installed bitdefender 2018 from bitdefender central - what did windows do after that? It updated itself and - wait for this - deleted the whole bitdefender installation... :wtf:

 

[Geoff.D]

Hi Geoff - have been attempting to recover this system for 48 hours now with Microsoft on the other end - I've finally decided to revert back to Win 7 on this system - they can keep Windows 10 and it auto updates.

When I| eventually got the system to boot to desktop at 2am this morning, I installed bitdefender 2018 from bitdefender central - what did windows do after that? It updated itself and - wait for this - deleted the whole bitdefender installation... :wtf:

There was a major update last week of win 10. The correct way to handle update Tuesday or any large update is to NOT run any other software while the update process is underway. That means you have to take control of the update process and not rely on any of the auto settings. Since I switched to such a process I have had peace with windows updates.

Because bit defender is no longer supported maybe?? Have you checked on the MS website?

Reverting back to WIN 7 is not the way to go.

Rather before you try again look at what you are trying to do, what other sw is installed and how you sign on and what is the reliability/quality of your Internet connection.

My recommendation would be to download the latest version of WIN 10 onto an ISO medium
Backup ALL your critical files, then uninstall ALL third party software before trying a re-installation of WIN 10 Pro. You could even consider a complete reformat of the HDD before any attempt to re-install. This will ensure that there is no left over "stuff" from the previously failed isntalls hanging around.

Make sure you have all the keys required as a safety measure.

As soon as WIN 10 is working again. Create a local account and stop signing on with the MS account as the default. Only use the MS default when it is absolutely required. Especially if you have a rather erratic Internet connection.

There is very little wrong with the latest creators version of Windows 10. ( No sw is ever perfect). I quickly discovered that on PCs that have been customized with other cards etc, that you have to tread carefully. Know what drivers are required for any customisations. Read up on what you have to do to ensure WIN 10 install correctly for such setups.

I regularly get people bringing me their laptops for updating and I am absolutely horrified at all the cr@p that gets installed on PCs. So I make it clear every time that I will only take on the task of cleaning up the PC if the owner agrees that ALL third party sw will be deleted and only sw that I have vetted will be re-installed afterwards. This process works every time.