Windows 10 still feels like a Beta

Neoprod said:
I thought it was common knowledge that MS OS's are in beta till service pack 1 minimum?

Some stay in beta forever...I'm looking at you Win ME and Vista.
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There aren't going to be service packs any more...they moved to continuous forced updates.
 
Neoprod said:
Yoh. Did not know that...I shall be looking for a workaround before upgrading.
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I might have exaggerated a bit...its a rolling update system...but not entirely forced (yet). Its not a bad idea though tbh...everything and everyone is moving in that direction.

And frankly the less outdated unpatched PCs out there the better.
 
sajunky said:
It is not true. It suggests that Microsoft was ready for the official release in July, but delayed to October on the request of hardware manufacturers. The truth is that Microsoft was not ready for release in July. Also it was not ready for 2nd October (as announced) either, it was delayed to November. Also on the request of the hardware manufacturers? Nonsence.
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It is true.

It does not suggest what you think.

The truth is that Microsoft was ready to release the OS in the (northern) summer, but that some of the 'fit and finish' was not.

One small example visible to users: the plan all along is to replace the old Control Panel with the new Settings i/f in W10. What they did was release Build 10240 at end July that is stable and clean and workable but with not all the Control Panel items fully migrated to and replaced by Settings. The existing Win7/8/8.1 code for many CPL items can be brought forward into W10 without affecting stability and functionality, and fully migrated in a subsequent update.

The old way of doing a mega new release followed by SP1 etc is over. We're in the new era of WaaS, which means rolling updates. Windows 10 will never be "done" and "finished" - it will be constantly updated. That's exactly what WaaS means. The plan is to do three large updates a year for the first 18-24 months, and then probably twice a year until the tech changes require it.

We're already used to continues rolling updates in the mobile world. The same now applies to the desktop.
 
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Windows 10 feels fine to me. Haven't had any issues. Basically identical to Windows 8.1 with some minor improvements, which itself was identical to Windows 7 with some minor improvements.
 
Bryn said:
Windows 10 feels fine to me. Haven't had any issues. Basically identical to Windows 8.1 with some minor improvements, which itself was identical to Windows 7 with some minor improvements.
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A computer user, I see. I agree. ;)

My only beef is loss of OneDrive placeholders. Big pain for me.
 
HavocXphere said:
I might have exaggerated a bit...its a rolling update system...but not entirely forced (yet). Its not a bad idea though tbh...everything and everyone is moving in that direction.
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Yes, it is complete denial of service. Clean install was made in the middle of October. Windows Update was set in the group policy editor to "Notify for update and notify for install". Internet connection was not for long, during session it managed to steal 200MB. Windows found some updates, but kept quiet. After that computer was used occasionally in a pure solitary environment (no external connection of any kind, just keyboard and mouse). Two week later see: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=312027&d=1446464401
If you don't accept an update, it blocks any operation, even Task Manager is blocked. A time bomb was setup during the first Internet connection. Windows is not a service, Windows is a complete denial of service.
 
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sajunky said:
Yes, it is complete denial of service. Clean install was made in the middle of October. Windows Update was set in the group policy editor to "Notify for update and notify for install". After that computer was used occasionally in a pure solitary environment (no external connection of any kind, just keyboard and mouse). Windows found some updates, but kept quiet. Two week later see: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=312027&d=1446464401
If you don't accept an update, it blocks any operation, even Task Manager is blocked. A time bomb was setup during the first Internet connection. Windows is not a service, Windows is a denial of service.
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Get a life. Uninstall Windows. Buy a Mac, install Linux, FreeBSD or whatever - there are a dozen OSs out there you can use. Your constant kvetching is become tedious.
 
Arthur said:
Get a life. Uninstall Windows. Buy a Mac, install Linux, FreeBSD or whatever - there are a dozen OSs out there you can use. Your constant kvetching is become tedious.
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Arthur, you don't get a life, do you? You seem to are unofficial Microsoft rep, constantly speading Microsot's lies. Get a life, if Microsoft wants your assistance, they must appoint an official rep on this forum.
 
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sajunky said:
Yes, it is complete denial of service. Clean install was made in the middle of October. Windows Update was set in the group policy editor to "Notify for update and notify for install". Internet connection was not for long, during session it managed to steal 200MB. Windows found some updates, but kept quiet. After that computer was used occasionally in a pure solitary environment (no external connection of any kind, just keyboard and mouse). Two week later see: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=312027&d=1446464401
If you don't accept an update, it blocks any operation, even Task Manager is blocked. A time bomb was setup during the first Internet connection. Windows is not a service, Windows is a complete denial of service.
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Might be Windows store updates? Did you disable those as well?
 
sajunky said:
Arthur, you don't get a life, do you? You seem to are unofficial Microsoft rep, constantly speading Microsot's lies. Get a life, if Microsoft wants your assistance, they must appoint an official rep on this forum.
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I retired from Microsoft more than 15 years ago and have nothing to do with them. I am not their unofficial rep. But when people talk crap I do point out the facts where I know them.

You seem to be the unofficial "Microsoft is the Evil Empire" rep, along with others. That's getting tedious. Just use something else. This is not religion. It's technology. A tool.

Accusing me of spreading lies is offensive. You obviously cannot distinguish between facts and opinions. You take your opinions as facts and if people disagree you accuse them of lying. That is childish and disappointing. I am done talking to you.
 
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I don't think any version of Windows has felt polished when it was released. Windows 7 was probably the closest, but there were some funnies there even. XP, Vista and 8 were all terrible at first.
That's probably why they want to move away from this new OS and rather have continuous incremental updates.

I find Windows 10 has lots of functionality, but I still have a number of gripes:
- Styling - in particular Color Scheme - I really thought they would have fixed this after Windows 8. It's terrible you can't change Window borders and colours to have nice themes that allow you to distinguish between different sections of windows (ie File Explorer). This is the most basic functionality that has been part of Windows since the very early versions.
- Styling - Icons - Some icons just look really bad in the flat schema - The edge icon looks terrible and is a throwback to Windows 2.
- Granularity of UIs - Windows became so popular because you could administor everything from the UI. Often there have been command line tools, but these were usually done after the UIs. The easy admin through the UI meant it was easy to find what the system was capable of without having to read much. Since Windows 8, it appears Microsoft has taken a CLI first approach (the same as Linux & Unix). This is frustrating as it means that looking at the UI, you believe something might not be possible, but then when you dig deeper, you find it can be done using PowerShell.
- Lack of consistency - The UI lacks consistency. There are so many different ways things are done and displayed. It really is starting to feel a lot like Linux - lacking continuity.

Stability hasn't been too bad, but I have had a few minor issues - Context Menus display without any text after sleeping, Edge crashes when site is not available, etc. Application crashes are far more elegant than in Windows 7 and prior. Rather than hanging on waiting for the app, it just closes.
 
Arthur said:
But when people talk crap I do point out the facts where I know them.
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Just finish this, it will be more truthful:
But when people talk crap I do point out the facts where I know them. But when I run out of arguments I call others who disagree with me undedicated and liers
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sajunky said:
Yes, it is complete denial of service. Clean install was made in the middle of October. Windows Update was set in the group policy editor to "Notify for update and notify for install". Internet connection was not for long, during session it managed to steal 200MB. Windows found some updates, but kept quiet. After that computer was used occasionally in a pure solitary environment (no external connection of any kind, just keyboard and mouse). Two week later see: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=312027&d=1446464401
If you don't accept an update, it blocks any operation, even Task Manager is blocked. A time bomb was setup during the first Internet connection. Windows is not a service, Windows is a complete denial of service.
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I don't get all the fuss about updates. I installed Windows 10 the day it released and haven't had any issues with or even notifications about updates. I did disable the weird P2P distribution thing, but I'd like to think everyone goes through the settings of new software to see what's what. Just let Windows do its thing.

Only reason I can imagine being afraid of updates is if you're running a pirated Office or something.
 
Bryn said:
I don't get all the fuss about updates. I installed Windows 10 the day it released and haven't had any issues with or even notifications about updates. I did disable the weird P2P distribution thing, but I'd like to think everyone goes through the settings of new software to see what's what. Just let Windows do its thing.

Only reason I can imagine being afraid of updates is if you're running a pirated Office or something.
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Updates in the past have broken my PC...one time the RAID array became invisible after MS updated something SATA related. I used to let update manager do its own thing before...not anymore.
 
backstreetboy said:
Might be Windows store updates? Did you disable those as well?
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Store updates were disabled in settings (hope so)...
Device drivers updates too.

It was Windows Defender downloading definition updates, crashing installation two times, before got it right. Interesting that each time it downloaded a different version (in one hour time).

It was Flash Player downloaded and installed, even it was disabled in both browsers.

Probably the store app updated itself, not sure.
My drivers took about 20MB total. The rest was definitely stolen.

Note to others. I don't use MS Office. I don't need it.
 
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Bryn said:
I don't get all the fuss about updates. I installed Windows 10 the day it released and haven't had any issues with or even notifications about updates. I did disable the weird P2P distribution thing, but I'd like to think everyone goes through the settings of new software to see what's what. Just let Windows do its thing.

Only reason I can imagine being afraid of updates is if you're running a pirated Office or something.
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I agree, updates are downloaded to one PC and it's shared on the network.
 
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