Windows 8 Consumer Preview

ghoti said:
Does anyone know if Win8 runs NTFS or have we finally moved away from that abortion to ReFS? The thing I hated the most about Windows is its file system. It would be great to have a better system.

After googling it seems theyre keeping the better file system for the server edition :(
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No, it still NTFS, according to my PC - Image
 
ghoti said:
Does anyone know if Win8 runs NTFS or have we finally moved away from that abortion to ReFS? The thing I hated the most about Windows is its file system. It would be great to have a better system.

After googling it seems theyre keeping the better file system for the server edition :(
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Linky.... http://www.anandtech.com/show/5433/microsofts-refs-filesystem-for-windows-8-server-explained

Microsoft expects ReFS to be production-ready when Windows 8 Server is released to the public, but the filesystem will still be rolled out conservatively: it will first be available for Windows 8 Server, then for client operating systems, and then finally as an option for boot volumes. Whether ReFS will come to clients in a Windows 8 service pack or as part of another OS was not discussed, but Microsoft clearly intends it as a full-on replacement for NTFS in the long run - while it has been updated a few times over the years, the NTFS specification has been around since Windows NT 3.1 was introduced in 1993, and its last potential successor (WinFS) was among the many features cut from Windows Vista during its notoriously rocky five-year development cycle.
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So nope, not is Win 8 CP.
 
Arthur said:
You're being a bit hasty, mate. Of course you can rename icons.

As for a Start Menu option - this is a beta to test response to Metro. Let them know. But ranting and denigrating will immediately discount any comments you make.

Apps Metro are automagically managed through a very sophisticated resource manager. Read about it on the Win8 blog. This is a beta, so get informed before emoting.

Abysmal? Yikes.

Not a new OS? Really? You judge an OS by the GUI? Again, the facts and reasons are available if you really care enough.

Otherwise just ignore it.

Take Vista hands down? Please do!

The more I use it the more I like it.

And it's F A S T and L I G H T. Serves up apps and data very niftily and then gets out of the way, just as a real OS should.
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I tried to go in with a positive outlook, but there's just no way I could ever see myself using this OS on a desktop PC. :(
Maybe I was a bit harsh in my previous post, I was using all my negative energy from everyday life. :o

One of my main issues is just that I feel totally lost without the "Start Menu". :(

I'm still messing around with it and trying to like it, and I'm busy customizing the Start Screen to my liking.
That being said, I've removed everything except the Desktop Button. :eek:

So on a more positive note here are some of the things I actually like:

1. More Detailed Task Manager (This is actually quite a big plus for me)
2. Built-in PDF Reader
3. Desktop with Windows 7 Feel
4. Seems like the OS will retain most backward compatibility with Win7 APPs
on X86 and X64 based PCs.
5. Awesome Pinball game! :D
6. The Polished Solitaire looks cool as well. :)
7. The Start Screen is a nice customizable accessory, but isn't a suitable
Start Menu replacement.

Now for some Negatives:
1. I feel totally lost without the classic start menu.
2. Internet explorer doesn't seem to have improved much.
3. A lot of additional functionality requires that you have a Windows Live Account and Internet Connection.
4. Windows 8 Feels like a Scaled-down version of Windows 7 even though it's not.
5. Windows 8 Seems to be intended for Tablets and has been made for PC's as an afterthought.
6. Shut down button isn't as easily accessible as it should be.

Most of my complaints are minor, but the fact that they removed the Start Menu as an option is a complete
deal-breaker for me. I'm sorry, but I feel very strongly about this. If they bring back the Start Menu as an
option, I would see no reason not to upgrade.

There's nothing wrong with the Start Screen, it's just that I feel that the Start Menu is in a different league
and therefore shouldn't be removed completely.
 
Totempole said:
I tried to go in with a positive outlook, but there's just no way I could ever see myself using this OS on a desktop PC. :(
Maybe I was a bit harsh in my previous post, I was using all my negative energy from everyday life. :o

One of my main issues is just that I feel totally lost without the "Start Menu". :(

I'm still messing around with it and trying to like it, and I'm busy customizing the Start Screen to my liking.
That being said, I've removed everything except the Desktop Button. :eek:

So on a more positive note here are some of the things I actually like:

1. More Detailed Task Manager (This is actually quite a big plus for me)
2. Built-in PDF Reader
3. Desktop with Windows 7 Feel
4. Seems like the OS will retain most backward compatibility with Win7 APPs
on X86 and X64 based PCs.
5. Awesome Pinball game! :D
6. The Polished Solitaire looks cool as well. :)
7. The Start Screen is a nice customizable accessory, but isn't a suitable
Start Menu replacement.

Now for some Negatives:
1. I feel totally lost without the classic start menu.
2. Internet explorer doesn't seem to have improved much.
3. A lot of additional functionality requires that you have a Windows Live Account and Internet Connection.
4. Windows 8 Feels like a Scaled-down version of Windows 7 even though it's not.
5. Windows 8 Seems to be intended for Tablets and has been made for PC's as an afterthought.
6. Shut down button isn't as easily accessible as it should be.

Most of my complaints are minor, but the fact that they removed the Start Menu as an option is a complete
deal-breaker for me. I'm sorry, but I feel very strongly about this. If they bring back the Start Menu as an
option, I would see no reason not to upgrade.

There's nothing wrong with the Start Screen, it's just that I feel that the Start Menu is in a different league
and therefore shouldn't be removed completely.
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Read this post, do it and smile

Elimentals said:
Woot now I am happy

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Thanx to Vistart

Edit: and to bypass the whole Metro thing just follow this instructions.
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wily me said:
Read this post, do it and smile
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Or you could try out http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/ (Still in testing but I think this will the best option)

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If you want to use metro as a start menu, basically if you seek you will find solutions. The problem is we should not have to try and get things to work the way we want em to with 3rd party add-ons. Microsoft should give us options to do so. They can use current set-up as default, all I want is a tick/switch in the controle panel to give me the other option.
 
I think you can pretty much bank on that being an option when W8 finally ships.

MSFT says W8 will be W7 without compromise, and for many/most tech-savvy IEUs on large-screen mouse-keyboard systems moving off Desktop is a compromise too far. I think you can even put money on it (ie Metro being an option for desktops).

This is a beta, after all. And one of the main purposes (among many) is to test Metro and get the telemetrics. You can be certain that there are thousands (not hundreds) of focus-groups with every conceivable type of user, and everything is very carefully noted and analysed. MSFT are not going to throw it all away by peeing off IEUs (in internal MSFT-speak, an "Influential End-User" - the kind of people who influence others in what they buy). This beta gives ITUs and some IEUs an exposure to Metro, so they'll at least know what's potting when Metro-centric tablets, ultrabooks, touch-enabled laptops and Apollo/WP devices start appearing later this year. It's part market-test, part beta-test, part-market-education all rolled into one. I think it's worth spending the time learning the Metro basics.

One thing's for sure - it wold be really retrograde to use a 1980s WIMP interface in the 2020s, so lots of work is being done around UIs. But underneath that the foundation stones are being put in place -- powerful. high-performance unified kernel, common services across platforms, scalable UI, super-smart resource management. In 5 years time we'll all be astonished at how clunky and antique today's systems are.
 
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Arthur said:
I think you can pretty much bank on that being an option when W8 finally ships.

MSFT says W8 will be W7 without compromise, and for many/most tech-savvy IEUs on large-screen mouse-keyboard systems moving off Desktop is a compromise too far. I think you can even put money on it (ie Metro being an option for desktops).

This is a beta, after all. And one of the main purposes (among many) is to test Metro and get the telemetrics. You can be certain that there are thousands (not hundreds) of focus-groups with every conceivable type of user, and everything is very carefully noted and analysed. MSFT are not going to throw it all away by peeing off IEUs (in internal MSFT-speak, an "Influential End-User" - the kind of people who influence others in what they buy). This beta gives ITUs and some IEUs an exposure to Metro, so they'll at least know what's potting when Metro-centric tablets, ultrabooks, touch-enabled laptops and Apollo/WP devices start appearing later this year.
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That is very much why I raise my opinion, the more people that speak out the more it will become a reality. This is also probibly why they shipped previews almost a year before a release, something Microsoft normally doesn't do.
 
A birdy whispers that there were "like "hundreds of hours" of meetings and debates inside MSFT as to what the Consumer Preview should include and exclude. "It's great to keep some nice pleasant surprises when the prod finally RTMs, and not to give too much away beforehand. Nudge. Wink. ". If there is intense debate about Metro amongst us beta users, it's 1000 times more passionately intense inside the company. And it's being intensely researched, tested, focus-grouped, tested, focus-grouped, tested, focus-grouped. But you can't always just follow the market, because the market doesn't really know what it wants, just what it has (which is why Steve Jobs' intuitive grasp was so valuable and market-leading, not market-following).

Some reviewers, tech journos and bloggers absolutely love Metro. Others detest it. From MSFT's perspective, at least the debate is now happening at last. And the company is listening intently, I am assured (and believe).
 
on the location thing, the Maps app shows I am in Jeppestown. 12 Somerset to be exact.

I hope no-one has beef with me for their sake.

my setup is: <--Internet <--Modem (No wifi) <-- Wifi Router <-- PC
 
Elimentals said:
Or you could try out http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/ (Still in testing but I think this will the best option)

If you want to use metro as a start menu, basically if you seek you will find solutions. The problem is we should not have to try and get things to work the way we want em to with 3rd party add-ons. Microsoft should give us options to do so. They can use current set-up as default, all I want is a tick/switch in the controle panel to give me the other option.
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This is a consumer Beta so feedback is the best you can do. By the time this OS is officially released it will be a completely different and improved animal. I cannot wait.
 
Totempole said:
Awesome!!! :D:D:D

I hope you can add the bring the Start Menu up on the Retail Release as well!
If yes I'm Sold!!! :love:
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There will be many third party applications. IMHO this may be the "Android" version of all M$ OS systems ever.
 
Argh... for some dogmanned reason my wireless card refuses to resume from hibernation / sleep now.

Grrrr.

It was working 100%, now I have to re-install the drivers for it when I resume or reboot the infernal beast.

Why oh why doest thou torment me so... !
 
Zyzzyva said:
To close metro apps click and drag down from top to bottom.
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Why do you want to close Metro apps? The system does it for you. They using the same tech that is in mobiles be it Windows Phone, Android or iOS, where background applications only use up memory and not CPU, and if the system needs memory will close the applications for you. We should move away from the mentality that we always want to close things down. This is done to increase productivity so you dont have to wait for applications to start up every time you use them.

If you want to remove your trail of applications used, just log out.
 
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