You are blaming...who?

And here we go again that its ok - because its soooo cheap, so we can accept a week or so of downtime.

Exactly. We may not have all bought Ferraris, but we did buy good affordable middle of the range VW Polos. They don't come with a courtesy car in the contract, fair enough, but we don't expect it to be broken for weeks at a time on a regular basis (weeks being days in Internet time). What we got for our money is an old Beetle that constantly breaks down, sometimes with major engine faults requiring parts to be shipped from a factory in Germany to repair.
 
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Furthermore, there is a significant price difference between the 384k uncapped and 4Mbs uncapped which I bought. So actually, what I bought was the Golf GTI, but I still ended up with the old Beetle.

Can I have my 4Mbs package at the 384k price for the duration of the outage, because I'm not getting any extra value for the price difference? Not working at 384k is the same as not working at 4Mbs.
 
No, however a sign posted alternative that can handle the same volume of traffic is customary, not creating a gridlock system where only one car moves at a time.

but as you know, detours can never handle the same volume of traffic as the original road... ;)
 
And here we go again that its ok - because its soooo cheap, so we can accept a week or so of downtime.

No, I really dont know how to make this simpler.

You bought a skateboard, dont expect to get a free chico while they repair the road. Dont blame the skateboard manufacturer because the road is broken.
 
No, I really dont know how to make this simpler.

You bought a skateboard, dont expect to get a free chico while they repair the road. Dont blame the skateboard manufacturer because the road is broken.
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I didn't give the road manufacturer money did I? I don't know how to make it simpler, I gave MWEB money, I didn't give SEACOM I cent... MWEB is not providing me with a service.
 
Please note that with immediate effect the interim capacity that we obtained from SAIX has been significantly reduced due to constraints on their own network. Most customers will not have access to international bandwidth at this point in time. Access to local web sites, Internet banking and e-mail will continue as per normal. We are urgently trying to secure alternative international capacity and we will keep you updated of any developments in this regard.

guess the fanboi's will justify this too.
 
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I didn't give the road manufacturer money did I? I don't know how to make it simpler, I gave MWEB money, I didn't give SEACOM I cent... MWEB is not providing me with a service.
Yes you didnt give the road manufacturer money (or technically you may have in the form of taxes).. yes, you gave Mweb money for your skateboard, but you are still whining at them because the road is broken (through an act of God).

Anyways, you want to whine so whine away, I really could not be bothered anymore. If it makes you feel better to blame someone who has no control of the situation go for it.
 
Yes you didnt give the road manufacturer money (or technically you may have in the form of taxes).. yes, you gave Mweb money for your skateboard, but you are still whining at them because the road is broken (through an act of God).

Anyways, you want to whine so whine away, I really could not be bothered anymore. If it makes you feel better to blame someone who has no control of the situation go for it.

Again, who MWEB uses is not my problem - no where does it state in their t&c that they will use only one provider, and should that one provider go down, its my problem.

Most of their subscriber base probably doesn't even know about SEACOM.
 
Again, who MWEB uses is not my problem - no where does it state in their t&c that they will use only one provider, and should that one provider go down, its my problem.

Most of their subscriber base probably doesn't even know about SEACOM.

uhuh
 
Anyways, you want to whine so whine away, I really could not be bothered anymore. If it makes you feel better to blame someone who has no control of the situation go for it.

You're right, it's not MWeb's fault. It's ours. That's why we are where we are today, because we as South Africans have become so accustomed to poor service that we think MWeb is doing us such a huge favour by providing us cheap uncapped ADSL. We even resort to making excuses for them.

We should stand up and demand a decent service. It's not unreasonable to expect some kind of redundancy for the price we are paying. It can be a degraded and slower service, by all means, but it should still work reliably. By world standards we are _still_ over paying for broadband. The fact that Telkom was shafting us to a larger degree in the past doesn't mean we aren't still getting the short end of the stick now.

As consumers, we should be standing up together, united. Instead, we sit and bicker amongst ourselves. We should be demanding ever cheaper rates and better, more reliable service all the time. Trust me, the MWeb's of the world aren't going to give it to us if they don't have to, they will only try to be slightly better than their competition - no need to actually care about the customer, you just need to do a better job than the next guy.

Personally, I switched from Afrihost to MWeb uncapped because it appeared they had better backup in place the last time Seacom went down. MWeb is more expensive, but I was willing to pay slightly more for some kind of redundancy. Looks like it's not there this time though. In fact, even their local stuff is working worse than Afrihost (ports blocked) and that's no act of God, that's just their own incompetence. And now, they announce that even the alternative plan they had for international access is no longer working for them.

And before someone starts pulling out contract terms again -- contracts always guarantee the minimum they can get away with. I bet even the premium products people have been ranting about have the same terms. Do the SAIX based ISP's contractually bind themselves to providing SAT-3 backup in their contract, or are they also free to select their own upstream providers?
 
The pirates! Those with guns...

What happened to the backup plan, as I have no international connectivity?
 
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I can't really blame Mweb... unless their damaging the cable themselves...
 
Nobody is blaming MWEB for the actual cable fault, but regardless of the downtime (1 week?), they still receive their FULL monthly subscriptions for a sub-standard service.
MWEB aren't doing us any favors with cheap uncapped, they are providing a commercial service for a fee - and they currently are not providing the said service.
 
Nobody is blaming MWEB for the actual cable fault, but regardless of the downtime (1 week?), they still receive their FULL monthly subscriptions for a sub-standard service.

you're going to need a hammer to get that through... a big one.
 
Yes you didnt give the road manufacturer money (or technically you may have in the form of taxes).. yes, you gave Mweb money for your skateboard, but you are still whining at them because the road is broken (through an act of God).

Anyways, you want to whine so whine away, I really could not be bothered anymore. If it makes you feel better to blame someone who has no control of the situation go for it.

You are taking your stupid analogy a little too seriously, and your argument is inane. Car analogies are stupid, and they are worse when they are used without even any attempt to keep it relevant to the matter at hand. Traipsing around the thread, scraping together analogies that only suit your particular narrow point of view isn't very useful, thanks so much. It doesn't do anything to prove you right, it just adds so much more noise.

A repeater failing is hardly an "act of god", and neither is some idiot dragging an anchor. When an earthquake is the cause you can try on the "act of god" excuse again.

Stop being a company apologist, companies in South Africa generally provide exceptionally poor customer service. If you pay MWEB for a service that is not provided, then it is MWEB that you have a bone to pick with; regardless of their reasons, valid as they may be. You're not a Seacom customer, you're an MWEB customer, you get to yell at MWEB when the service you are continuing to pay for is not being provided. If they can't provide the service you are paying for, they should give back your money, even if God himself descended to earth to steal their cables. MWEB is a Seacom customer. They get to yell at Seacom, and if they had any sense they would have some contractual form of recourse so that they in turn don't have to eat all of this when the service THEY are paying for is not provided.

A break in the Seacom or any other cable system is not an unexpected event, and for Seacom it's starting to feel like a habit. Despite this, MWEB was apparantly caught entirely unprepared for any kind of disruption, and their response has been slow, haphazard and at times outright dumb (blocking SSH anyone?). When something like this happens someone is definitely going to lose money, and in all fairness it should be Seacom primarily, but only in South Africa is the consumer expected to eat it, keep paying and smile.
 
My ISP was using SEACOM bandwidth but after the last break they secured SAT3 bandwidth for when it happens again.

So this time I have internets.... thanks Cybersmart !
 
I'm going to try this outside thing for awhile, can't work anyway - train ride, fan park here I come.
 
Wow, the dodgy is strong in this one. http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/search.php?searchid=2271855 (check the amount of insults for so few posts)

You are taking your stupid analogy a little too seriously, and your argument is inane. Car analogies are stupid, and they are worse when they are used without even any attempt to keep it relevant to the matter at hand. Traipsing around the thread, scraping together analogies that only suit your particular narrow point of view isn't very useful, thanks so much. It doesn't do anything to prove you right, it just adds so much more noise.

I didnt say it proved me right I was trying to explain it in simpler terms. So try read what I wrote without a carrot in your bum.

A repeater failing is hardly an "act of god", and neither is some idiot dragging an anchor. When an earthquake is the cause you can try on the "act of god" excuse again.

You notice I put that in "`s? For a specific reason as its not a true act of God, I used it as a synonym for stuff beyond their control.

Stop being a company apologist, companies in South Africa generally provide exceptionally poor customer service. If you pay MWEB for a service that is not provided, then it is MWEB that you have a bone to pick with; regardless of their reasons, valid as they may be. You're not a Seacom customer, you're an MWEB customer, you get to yell at MWEB when the service you are continuing to pay for is not being provided. If they can't provide the service you are paying for, they should give back your money, even if God himself descended to earth to steal their cables. MWEB is a Seacom customer. They get to yell at Seacom, and if they had any sense they would have some contractual form of recourse so that they in turn don't have to eat all of this when the service THEY are paying for is not provided.

Thats nice, I dont care about Mweb. Mweb was simply the example that was being used. I couldnt care if you stayed with them or left them. So stop making up stuff ;) This issue is way bigger than just mweb and home users bandwidth.

A break in the Seacom or any other cable system is not an unexpected event, and for Seacom it's starting to feel like a habit. Despite this, MWEB was apparantly caught entirely unprepared for any kind of disruption, and their response has been slow, haphazard and at times outright dumb (blocking SSH anyone?). When something like this happens someone is definitely going to lose money, and in all fairness it should be Seacom primarily, but only in South Africa is the consumer expected to eat it, keep paying and smile.

lol

Strangely enough, if there is cable theft in my area... I dont try sue Telkom ;) I wait for them to fix it as I know stuff happens.
 
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Eskom went down and the trains are late, LETS BURN DOWN THE STATIONS, that will teach Eskom!!!!

Stupid is as stupid does.
 
A break in the Seacom or any other cable system is not an unexpected event,
Come again..... they know when something is going to break?????? They actually plan for something to break ahead of time???????
 
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