Shocking service from OpenWeb

fluffypony

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I know there are a lot of OpenWeb fans here, and I'm glad you have had a great experience. I have not been as fortunate, and as a warning to those (many or few) looking to make the switch I feel it important that this get told. OpenWeb is not all fairies and roses.

Telkom installed a new 10mbps line at my home and completed installation in the afternoon on 2013/03/09. I signed up for OpenWeb (Gold Capped) as I had read so many, many good things about them on mybroadband. Loaded the account details in, my router reconnected, and I ran a preliminary speed test. Things looked good - about 4Mbps down and 1Mbps up. I resumed a torrent that had been paused, and watched the speed pick up for a minute or two...before it promptly plummeted. DropBox and Skype went offline, and my SSH sessions to my servers timed out. Tests confirmed that I had no TCP/UDP traffic going our or coming in, and ICMP was also dead in the water. My first thought was that it was my router, so I did the sensible thing and rebooted. After successfully being able to repeat the failure I switched to my old WebAfrica unshaped prepaid account, which had no connectivity or stability issues. I sent a message to OpenWeb about this through their "contact us" page. As it was Saturday night, we went out, and the problem remained abandoned for the next day. I devoted several hours on Sunday to seeing if I could determine what the problem was, as OpenWeb had emailed/sms'd new ADSL account details (without responding to my message, mind you, but I assumed it was in an effort to assist me). I tested connectivity over a period on Telkom's guest ADSL as well as WebAfrica. Only when I connected to OpenWeb did I have the connection consistently go dead and then come back on a few minutes later (all while the line stayed physically connected and synced). Late that afternoon I emailed OpenWeb support and cc'd [email protected] to let them know the situation remained unchanged.

Over the course of the next few days OpenWeb played the "it works on our side" card, insisting that the problem must be on my side. We even went as far as to completely reset the router to factory defaults (the router is a Pace 921VNX VDSL/ADSL router). In the interim, I had reopened my old AfriHost account. I now had three ISPs working perfectly on the line (Telkom guest ADSL, WebAfrica prepaid unshaped, AfriHost ADSL+Wifi roaming), and the same connectivity issues I'd had with OpenWeb from the beginning. Traceroutes when connected via OpenWeb and WebAfrica showed traffic taking the exact same route over IS' ADSL backbone (when the OpenWeb line worked), and yet the WebAfrica connection was stable and stayed up for hours. OpenWeb's support still insisted the problem was on my side, despite the mountain of evidence to the contrary, and refused to acknowledge that there was even a remote possibility of a problem on their side. Eventually they stopped responding to emails on 2013/03/12.

As reliable Internet access is a business necessity for me, and I work from home, I could no longer wait for OpenWeb to eventually figure out that the problem was not on my side, so in the evening on 2013/03/12 I emailed [email protected] and cc'd [email protected] requesting the account be cancelled, and asking for my money to be refunded as I had not been able to ever use the account. I made sure to keep things positive, stating that I bore no ill-will against OpenWeb, and that I'd give them a spin again in the future, but right now I needed to stick with what was working. After two days of silence I sent a reply to both those addresses asking for a response by close-of-business the following day, else I would have to ask my bank to reverse the credit card transaction. That deadline has passed, and yet I have still heard nothing from OpenWeb.

I am shocked and appalled by the lack of service from such an apparently reputable company. Their inability to problem solve an issue that is clearly distinct to them is mind-boggling. Their continued insistence that it is my problem without any indication as to how to solve it is equally nonsensical. Finally, their dead silence when I kindly requested my account be cancelled and refunded is simply not acceptable. If you're looking for an ISP and you need to rely on your Internet connection (major outages or line failures notwithstanding, that's what 3G backup is for) then I cannot in good conscience recommend OpenWeb. In fact, I would recommend avoiding their horrendous service like the plague.
 
Interesting. Thet gave me a trial account to test. It dropped connection after 5 mins. Reply from them was that I must phone Telkom as it's a line fault or my router, but when I switch back to my current ISP, the connection was stable.

Looks like a standard reply from them. I was considering a 4mp Gols uncapped unshaped account, but since they never either bothered to reply to my e-mails, I will rather not go that route.
 
All these other accounts of yours, are they also 10mb accounts?

Capped accounts are speed independent, since it doesn't matter if you use a 50gb account up in 2 days or 20 days:)
 
Interesting. Thet gave me a trial account to test. It dropped connection after 5 mins. Reply from them was that I must phone Telkom as it's a line fault or my router, but when I switch back to my current ISP, the connection was stable.

Looks like a standard reply from them. I was considering a 4mp Gols uncapped unshaped account, but since they never either bothered to reply to my e-mails, I will rather not go that route.

Glad to know I'm not the only one that experienced it. It is most assuredly an issue on their traffic management system, otherwise your line would have the same behaviour with other ISPs.
 
Interesting. Thet gave me a trial account to test. It dropped connection after 5 mins. Reply from them was that I must phone Telkom as it's a line fault or my router, but when I switch back to my current ISP, the connection was stable.

Looks like a standard reply from them. I was considering a 4mp Gols uncapped unshaped account, but since they never either bothered to reply to my e-mails, I will rather not go that route.

Unfortunately, I've noticed the same.

I'm moving to Plugg next month (damn 1month notice :mad:) for a while to see if their accounts perform any better. Service seems about the same so far. Let's see about having to 'reset my port' all the time to get a stable account.

Pity- I've enjoyed OW for the most part.
 
I've also seen drops in internet all the time but actually thought this was just my wifi. Not tech savvy at all so I think i'm going to get a 1gb account somewhere to test this out.
 
Hi Fluffpony

Your post has been noted, please PM your details.
 
We extensively tested your account over the course of a week and could not replicate an issue.

I believe we sent you screenshots of our tests.

Im afraid if an issue cannot be replicated, it can only be assumed that the fault is not on the OpenWeb account side.

Please refer to our Terms of Service. We do not offer refunds. As the account tests well on our side, we cannot consider a refund either.

I believe we have tried our best to assist you, and advise you as to which steps to take. Unfortunately, you are adamant the fault is on our side, which makes it almost impossible to troubleshoot your issue. Any technical advise provided by us were not followed through.

As a side note, we tested your account in 3 x different areas, incase this could've been a geographical issue.

The conclusion is that it is highly unlikely the fault is on our side, and therefore I see this matter as closed.

I am sorry this is perhaps not the response you wanted to receive, but based on the facts before me, this is the best conclusion to this issue.


I know there are a lot of OpenWeb fans here, and I'm glad you have had a great experience. I have not been as fortunate, and as a warning to those (many or few) looking to make the switch I feel it important that this get told. OpenWeb is not all fairies and roses.

Telkom installed a new 10mbps line at my home and completed installation in the afternoon on 2013/03/09. I signed up for OpenWeb (Gold Capped) as I had read so many, many good things about them on mybroadband. Loaded the account details in, my router reconnected, and I ran a preliminary speed test. Things looked good - about 4Mbps down and 1Mbps up. I resumed a torrent that had been paused, and watched the speed pick up for a minute or two...before it promptly plummeted. DropBox and Skype went offline, and my SSH sessions to my servers timed out. Tests confirmed that I had no TCP/UDP traffic going our or coming in, and ICMP was also dead in the water. My first thought was that it was my router, so I did the sensible thing and rebooted. After successfully being able to repeat the failure I switched to my old WebAfrica unshaped prepaid account, which had no connectivity or stability issues. I sent a message to OpenWeb about this through their "contact us" page. As it was Saturday night, we went out, and the problem remained abandoned for the next day. I devoted several hours on Sunday to seeing if I could determine what the problem was, as OpenWeb had emailed/sms'd new ADSL account details (without responding to my message, mind you, but I assumed it was in an effort to assist me). I tested connectivity over a period on Telkom's guest ADSL as well as WebAfrica. Only when I connected to OpenWeb did I have the connection consistently go dead and then come back on a few minutes later (all while the line stayed physically connected and synced). Late that afternoon I emailed OpenWeb support and cc'd [email protected] to let them know the situation remained unchanged.

Over the course of the next few days OpenWeb played the "it works on our side" card, insisting that the problem must be on my side. We even went as far as to completely reset the router to factory defaults (the router is a Pace 921VNX VDSL/ADSL router). In the interim, I had reopened my old AfriHost account. I now had three ISPs working perfectly on the line (Telkom guest ADSL, WebAfrica prepaid unshaped, AfriHost ADSL+Wifi roaming), and the same connectivity issues I'd had with OpenWeb from the beginning. Traceroutes when connected via OpenWeb and WebAfrica showed traffic taking the exact same route over IS' ADSL backbone (when the OpenWeb line worked), and yet the WebAfrica connection was stable and stayed up for hours. OpenWeb's support still insisted the problem was on my side, despite the mountain of evidence to the contrary, and refused to acknowledge that there was even a remote possibility of a problem on their side. Eventually they stopped responding to emails on 2013/03/12.

As reliable Internet access is a business necessity for me, and I work from home, I could no longer wait for OpenWeb to eventually figure out that the problem was not on my side, so in the evening on 2013/03/12 I emailed [email protected] and cc'd [email protected] requesting the account be cancelled, and asking for my money to be refunded as I had not been able to ever use the account. I made sure to keep things positive, stating that I bore no ill-will against OpenWeb, and that I'd give them a spin again in the future, but right now I needed to stick with what was working. After two days of silence I sent a reply to both those addresses asking for a response by close-of-business the following day, else I would have to ask my bank to reverse the credit card transaction. That deadline has passed, and yet I have still heard nothing from OpenWeb.

I am shocked and appalled by the lack of service from such an apparently reputable company. Their inability to problem solve an issue that is clearly distinct to them is mind-boggling. Their continued insistence that it is my problem without any indication as to how to solve it is equally nonsensical. Finally, their dead silence when I kindly requested my account be cancelled and refunded is simply not acceptable. If you're looking for an ISP and you need to rely on your Internet connection (major outages or line failures notwithstanding, that's what 3G backup is for) then I cannot in good conscience recommend OpenWeb. In fact, I would recommend avoiding their horrendous service like the plague.
 
Could not replicate so close the issue ..... nice one :rolleyes:

Maybe the OP should video the tests he does and send that along with his complaint to the CPA.
 
The matter regarding the refund has been closed.

The support matter will be open until the problem is resolved.

It would however be beneficial if the OP accepts our troubleshooting advise.

Could not replicate so close the issue ..... nice one :rolleyes:

Maybe the OP should video the tests he does and send that along with his complaint to the CPA.
 
We extensively tested your account over the course of a week and could not replicate an issue.

Could not replicate so close the issue ..... nice one :rolleyes:

Maybe the OP should video the tests he does and send that along with his complaint to the CPA.

Perhaps OW should have a teamviewer look at my account, from my location.

They can do what they want with their testing- what it comes down to is that OW doesn't work for many people on their line. Yet other accounts work fine on the same line.

This leads us customers to believe the fault is with OW. Their protestations to the contrary don't mean anything if we can't replicate their test results "your account works perfectly"

OW need to change their testing methods or definition of 'perfect' to see this from the consumer's side.

Something is wrong somewhere and people are leaving because of it, which is unfortunate.

If they ever do find what's wrong with these accounts, I'd love to know....
 
If the account works at three different geographical locations one can conclude that it is not an account issue.

It is more than likely a Telkom / router / routing / exchange or similar issue.

Using Teamviewer will not show much, as we can only see what you see. And if there is a problem with the latter, there aren't too many tests we can perform to pin point it exactly.

We always advise clients to first start with a Telkom port recreate, as this resolves many many issues. This can be achieved by calling Telkom on 10210.

The router is also at fault alot, and can be the cause of many intermittent issues.

However, the biggest offender today is Telkoms congested exchange network.



Perhaps OW should have a teamviewer look at my account, from my location.

They can do what they want with their testing- what it comes down to is that OW doesn't work for many people on their line. Yet other accounts work fine on the same line.

This leads us customers to believe the fault is with OW. Their protestations to the contrary don't mean anything if we can't replicate their test results "your account works perfectly"

OW need to change their testing methods or definition of 'perfect' to see this from the consumer's side.

Something is wrong somewhere and people are leaving because of it, which is unfortunate.

If they ever do find what's wrong with these accounts, I'd love to know....
 
Damn Telkom.

I'll still try Plugg to see how they compare, even though they're more expensive :(
 
situations like this is becoming a more common occurence. same MO with most of them.
 
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