Vodacom and MTN play interconnect trump card
Cell C has shot itself in the foot by not agreeing to Friday's proposal
Cell C has shot itself in the foot by not agreeing to Friday's proposal
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Vodacom and MTN play MTR trump card
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With respect to Hilton I do not see how the drop in MTR between VC and MTN will provide any scope for them to reduce retail rates. He is however silent on the impact expected with regards VC & Telkom and MTN & Telkom re MTR as these agreements would in theory also have to be renegotiated.
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More smoke and mirrors BS...Who knows exactly what the situation is? Who is the net payer?
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Only if guavament allows vodacon/mtn to dictate to them.
Oh yay!
We are now all happy and will conveniently forget everything.
When they said this, a few paragraphs higher...
Ooohhh, yessss, I seeeee...they promise 19%, in order to con us into forgetting their previous collusion, then we should expect only half of the amount. Mmmm...My, we're such clever monkeys...Know any other tricks?...
What's the difference? Cell has no choices? Cell "must" accept the 19%?
I see it as simply changing tactics, keep informing the public and putting pressure on government to decline the vodacon/mtn 19%.
Nope, they need to simply make every south African aware of the collusion and corruption of vodacon/mtn, which led to this issue.
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Only if guavament allows vodacon/mtn to dictate to them.
Oh yay!
We are now all happy and will conveniently forget everything. When they said this, a few paragraphs higher...
Ooohhh, yessss, I seeeee...they promise 19%, in order to con us into forgetting their previous collusion, then we should expect only half of the amount. Mmmm...My, we're such clever monkeys...Know any other tricks?...
What's the difference? Cell has no choices? Cell "must" accept the 19%?
I see it as simply changing tactics, keep informing the public and putting pressure on government to decline the vodacon/mtn 19%.
Nope, they need to simply make every south African aware of the collusion and corruption of vodacon/mtn, which led to this issue.
Voldemort
Death eater
(and yet another interconnect fee article...)
the more aware people become of how MTN and Vodacom have been screwing the public, the better, or would you not agree?
InTheCube
Expert Member
So don't read it if it bothers you.
Some of us, like myself, are actually following this on a daily basis. This article is providing fresh news - a new development has occurred. I've learnt alot about interconnect, and how VC and emptyN have been screwing us, and are trying to keep the status quo.
So keep the articles coming... The more detail we know the better.
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Senior Member
Hilton. With respect, you've completely missed the point.
Interconnection is not about bilateral agreements - it would be great if it were. It's about every operator having a natural monopoly on call termination on their network, and the ability to set any price they like for anyone else trying to call them.
As a result, large operators get together (read: collude) to agree on rates which are just low enough to make everyone think they care (and actually lie about the real numbers anyway), while placing a high enough barrier to prevent any real competition from new entrants.
If you were half the journalist you think you are, you would have read all about this over the past several years. Regulators in various jurisdictions, particularly Europe, have been very tough on mobile operators, and forced the fees down to fair levels, often ignoring the pathetic bleating of the fatcat executives.
For what it's worth, I notice that you happily published the number 78c alongside the figure 19%, without even trying to do the sums. The numbers you should be comparing are either the peak or the blended rates i.e. R1,25 drops to 99c peak. It's virtually impossible to arrive at a blended figure of 78c, unless most cell phone calls are made at night. Certainly, the impact for businesses will not be a substantial improvement, since most are already using LCR, which is priced around 99c peak anyway.
In other words, for your target audience - no change! Please bother to check a few facts before you write this rubbish. I guess you got it from the "lobbying" departments of Vodacom and MTN
Interconnection is not about bilateral agreements - it would be great if it were. It's about every operator having a natural monopoly on call termination on their network, and the ability to set any price they like for anyone else trying to call them.
As a result, large operators get together (read: collude) to agree on rates which are just low enough to make everyone think they care (and actually lie about the real numbers anyway), while placing a high enough barrier to prevent any real competition from new entrants.
If you were half the journalist you think you are, you would have read all about this over the past several years. Regulators in various jurisdictions, particularly Europe, have been very tough on mobile operators, and forced the fees down to fair levels, often ignoring the pathetic bleating of the fatcat executives.
For what it's worth, I notice that you happily published the number 78c alongside the figure 19%, without even trying to do the sums. The numbers you should be comparing are either the peak or the blended rates i.e. R1,25 drops to 99c peak. It's virtually impossible to arrive at a blended figure of 78c, unless most cell phone calls are made at night. Certainly, the impact for businesses will not be a substantial improvement, since most are already using LCR, which is priced around 99c peak anyway.
In other words, for your target audience - no change! Please bother to check a few facts before you write this rubbish. I guess you got it from the "lobbying" departments of Vodacom and MTN
Hectic
Executive Member
Is it a case of "Almost feeling sorry for Cell C"?
Rouxenator
Dank meme lord
Voice calls ? Thats soooo last century.
Data cost should be the prime concern.
Data cost should be the prime concern.
Well either way they've dropped the rates, Cell C's being unreasonable by expecting an asymmetrical rate.
Juice
Expert Member
If that's not collusion and abuse of market power, then I don't know what is. It makes me sick to my stomach, really. Vodacom and MTN are doing everything in their power to protect their revenue stream and it's about time the Competition Commission takes them apart for it.
Juice
Expert Member
It should have been an assymetrical rate when Cell C entered. Cell C is actually trying to right a historical wrong and I understand their argument. If there was proper governance when they entered the market, they'd be a bigger operator by now, but because of the way things are, they're still struggling to make a decent profit. The only way to get them out of the hole their in is reparations back-dated to their inception. No surprise, but government and ICASA screwed them over all those years ago, and here we are, years later, and still eating high cell phone costs. Vodacom and MTN must burn.
Couldn't agree more. F***kers
Abe
Expert Member
Now that I have canceled my MTN contract, I am going to switch the the old VM number I had. My wife still has a bit on her MTN contract and I am going to make damn sure that she calls me, all of the time.
Why should the other networks effectively subsidise them?
yavahn
Well-Known Member
Oh yay!
Lool
Exactly!