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kiepie
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All Over! 
Highflyer_GP
Honorary Master
Bookies probably got to Kallis. Thanks man, hope the pay was worth it.
Then again maybe he really just is retarded in his scoring, he had the slowest strike rate against even Holland.
Then again maybe he really just is retarded in his scoring, he had the slowest strike rate against even Holland.
feo
Honorary Master
ah crap. At least Hayden added points to my Dream Team. 
Very well batted both teams.Jacques Kallis lost the match. You can't go in to bat when the team needs 7.6 to the over and go out with the team needing 13 to the over. The other factors (cramp and a stunning runout) were tough luck - but Kallis was not - he is supposed to be one of the best batsmen in the world 
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Hah.Shake&Bake
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Kemp Should have come in before Boucher to keep the run rate going 
next game then ****!!!!!!!!!!!
next game then ****!!!!!!!!!!!feo
Honorary Master
Am I the only one not impressed by the run out. If you look at it again you'll see he fumbled it and he hit the wickets by luck. Ah well, well done to the Aussies anyway.
Highflyer_GP
Honorary Master
In addition to a man of the match award, I reckon that the ICC should introduce a loser of the match as well for the player who played the most part in losing the match for their team. Kallis would no doubt have won it today, and it will also give underperformers the motivation needed to avoid embarrassment.
That's not a bad idea actually, give them some extra incentive! Maybe it'll even put off the matchfixers!
Fracking Kallis .....
How often in the past has be been accused of playing for his averages, and it shows again.
In 99 World Cup he batted so slowly when we had the game in the bag and then got out, leaving it to the middle lower order which eventually fell with the pressure. I never blamed Klusener & Donald, Kallis was the failure.
He scored 53 off 92 balls in that match.
Let him play in the Test side for his average. His sloth like "wessels" approach is not suited to the one day game.
Or maybe he can switch his career full time as a Sanex Model ......
How often in the past has be been accused of playing for his averages, and it shows again.
In 99 World Cup he batted so slowly when we had the game in the bag and then got out, leaving it to the middle lower order which eventually fell with the pressure. I never blamed Klusener & Donald, Kallis was the failure.
He scored 53 off 92 balls in that match.
Let him play in the Test side for his average. His sloth like "wessels" approach is not suited to the one day game.
Or maybe he can switch his career full time as a Sanex Model ......
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Abe
Expert Member
It's not Kallis's fault. He needs to be in the side for stability etc. The decision to send him in to bat at the time was nothing short of ludicrous. The match was filled with tactical mistakes by SA and very few to Aus.
Mistakes
1) Selection - Bowling variaty
2) Selection - Prince in place of Bosman
3) Decision to Bowl first
4) No change in bowling when the bowlers were being tonked all over the show
5) Sending Kallis in to bat when Gibbs/Pollock would have been a better choice. He wasted an entire Power Play.
6) Sending Prince in to bat
Although Kallis shares the blame for his batting, the coach knew his batting style before sending him in at no 3. More often then not, Kallis will make up for and exceed his balls. The problem is the pressure it puts on the batmen at the other end while this is happening.
Highflyer_GP
Honorary Master
So Kallis being one of the most senior members of the side can't say that he doesn't think he's the right person for the situation? Isn't he the vice captain? He should be experienced enough to learn to adapt to match conditions. Failures and tactical decisions can't always be attributed to the coach, the players need to start accepting responsibility as well. This applies to all sides - when things go well then there's nothing but praise for the players, but when things go wrong then everybody points a finger at the coaches.
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Kallis was appalling for such an experienced and supposedly top batsman, in fact with the exception of AB and Smith our batting really collapsed. But for me the biggest problem with us lied in bowling. HOW THE HELL DO YOU EXPECT TO CHASE 377 AGAINST AUSTRALIA IN A WORLD CUP?! Forget the 438 from last year (IN SOUTH AFRICA), those sort of results happen once in a century.
I had strong reservations about us winning the match the moment I saw Australia's total. We started well with our batting and later collapsed but make no mistake it was always going to be an uphill battle chasing that total, this is not some video game but reality. When we are up against quality opposition and Pollock/Ntini don't bowl excellently we totally run out of ideas and the opponents have a field day batting, do we even have a genuine spinner?
Going into the future this team needs to be daring in its selections and in terms of giving other SA talents a chance, we've been having more or less the same team for a long time with very little to show for it in terms of trophies. There's just something stiff about this team, they don't have spark (except when they are hammering the Dutch and Scots of this world).
That's just my outsider opinion as I'm not really a staunch cricket follower.
I had strong reservations about us winning the match the moment I saw Australia's total. We started well with our batting and later collapsed but make no mistake it was always going to be an uphill battle chasing that total, this is not some video game but reality. When we are up against quality opposition and Pollock/Ntini don't bowl excellently we totally run out of ideas and the opponents have a field day batting, do we even have a genuine spinner?
Going into the future this team needs to be daring in its selections and in terms of giving other SA talents a chance, we've been having more or less the same team for a long time with very little to show for it in terms of trophies. There's just something stiff about this team, they don't have spark (except when they are hammering the Dutch and Scots of this world).
That's just my outsider opinion as I'm not really a staunch cricket follower.
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Another extract from cricinfo today.
I thought by this morning i would feel less anger
1.) Agreed - we lacked the bowling variety, but that has always been South Africa's Achilles heal. Right arm over the wicket medium/fast. What was glaringly obvious was the lack of imagination and execution by our bowlers, slower balls, yorkers, back of a length, round the wicket? The first person to go around the wicket was Hall and by then a good platform had already been set up, why could Polly or Ntini not bowl round the wicket to cramp up the left handers?
2.) Disagree, I think Prince is fine in the middle order, i would take him over Bosman any day, i think the problem comes in having King Kallis the Sloth and Ashwell batting together in the middle. We need someone like Jonty to fill the number 5 slot. I had hoped JP Duminy would be able to fullfill this role but after throwing him in the deep end and at the end of the batting line-up (came in at #9 or #10?) in Sri Lanka he seems to have been thrown into the wilderness by selectors.
3.) I think the majority of teams batting 2nd this tournament have won? Will have to check the stats, but i think after 438 we felt confident of chasing down whatever they scored, and if there was any help whatsoever for the bowlers it would have been better to bowl up first.
4.) Agreed, i think Smith kept Polly & Ntini on way too long and did not mix up the pace enough. McGrath called it before the game, our bowlers are predictable, you know where Polly is going to place the ball 5/6.
5.) Agreed, Kallis sloth like batting was not suited to the game, when everyone was going big, Kallis ensured he first made sure his average wouldnt drop by crawling to 45.
6.) Agreed, another Brain Fart by the SA Think Tank, we needed Bouch, Polly or Kemp to come in to keep the runs flowing.
All in all, apart from the batting form shown by Smith & AB the rest failed miserably. Biggest concern is our Think Tank seems to have been stoned.
I thought by this morning i would feel less anger
1.) Agreed - we lacked the bowling variety, but that has always been South Africa's Achilles heal. Right arm over the wicket medium/fast. What was glaringly obvious was the lack of imagination and execution by our bowlers, slower balls, yorkers, back of a length, round the wicket? The first person to go around the wicket was Hall and by then a good platform had already been set up, why could Polly or Ntini not bowl round the wicket to cramp up the left handers?
2.) Disagree, I think Prince is fine in the middle order, i would take him over Bosman any day, i think the problem comes in having King Kallis the Sloth and Ashwell batting together in the middle. We need someone like Jonty to fill the number 5 slot. I had hoped JP Duminy would be able to fullfill this role but after throwing him in the deep end and at the end of the batting line-up (came in at #9 or #10?) in Sri Lanka he seems to have been thrown into the wilderness by selectors.
3.) I think the majority of teams batting 2nd this tournament have won? Will have to check the stats, but i think after 438 we felt confident of chasing down whatever they scored, and if there was any help whatsoever for the bowlers it would have been better to bowl up first.
4.) Agreed, i think Smith kept Polly & Ntini on way too long and did not mix up the pace enough. McGrath called it before the game, our bowlers are predictable, you know where Polly is going to place the ball 5/6.
5.) Agreed, Kallis sloth like batting was not suited to the game, when everyone was going big, Kallis ensured he first made sure his average wouldnt drop by crawling to 45.
6.) Agreed, another Brain Fart by the SA Think Tank, we needed Bouch, Polly or Kemp to come in to keep the runs flowing.
All in all, apart from the batting form shown by Smith & AB the rest failed miserably. Biggest concern is our Think Tank seems to have been stoned.
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kingrob
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I might forgive Kallis for his slow run-rate, but what about Pollock????
A world class bowler being treated like a 'schoolboy bowler'? Think the bookies got hold of him...
A world class bowler being treated like a 'schoolboy bowler'? Think the bookies got hold of him...
Well done Oz,
A couple of things here.....
Firstly OZ batted well, although i did think they were 20, 25 runs short. They were 200 at 30 overs, and i though they really needed to be 400.
As i have said in previous posts here before, (and was completely ignored by you guys), SA's bowling is not as good as you think.
When you guys batted, it was fantastic, i just love smithy's attitude (unlike many of you guys whom dont like smith for some reason), he's really got what SA cricket needs to get to the next level. But the momentum shifted once smithy got cramps and AB was sent packing - this was partly due to OZ's big varitey in bowling and normal cricket pressure.
Kallis has always been a selfish player (one reason why i never pick him in any test or one day side), my perception is that he is not one for high strike rates, he is not a go-get-em type run chaser.
Kallis's knock certaintly stood out for all the wrong reasons.
Also I would not have prince in my ODI side - i think he is more of a test player
SA may be ranked NO.1 - but OZ will continue to npi at your heels to get that position back.
Anyway, SA play SL next, and OZ play WI.
But as with the world cup, you take each game as it comes.
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A couple of things here.....
Firstly OZ batted well, although i did think they were 20, 25 runs short. They were 200 at 30 overs, and i though they really needed to be 400.
As i have said in previous posts here before, (and was completely ignored by you guys), SA's bowling is not as good as you think.
When you guys batted, it was fantastic, i just love smithy's attitude (unlike many of you guys whom dont like smith for some reason), he's really got what SA cricket needs to get to the next level. But the momentum shifted once smithy got cramps and AB was sent packing - this was partly due to OZ's big varitey in bowling and normal cricket pressure.
Kallis has always been a selfish player (one reason why i never pick him in any test or one day side), my perception is that he is not one for high strike rates, he is not a go-get-em type run chaser.
Kallis's knock certaintly stood out for all the wrong reasons.
Also I would not have prince in my ODI side - i think he is more of a test player
SA may be ranked NO.1 - but OZ will continue to npi at your heels to get that position back.
Anyway, SA play SL next, and OZ play WI.
But as with the world cup, you take each game as it comes.
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