ADSL - SA versus Morocco

harpon said:
I'm going to stop visiting myadsl.co.za, since they just keep telling us all the same things over and over and over. WE KNOW OUR BROADBAND SUCKS A$$. Thanks for reminding us.

How about you DO SOMETHING instead of just telling us stuff we already know.
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You will be missed, bye now:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
harpon said:
I'm going to stop visiting myadsl.co.za, since they just keep telling us all the same things over and over and over. WE KNOW OUR BROADBAND SUCKS A$$. Thanks for reminding us.

How about you DO SOMETHING instead of just telling us stuff we already know.
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Do you even know what the role of this forum is? We aren't a super power, we can't force ICASA or Telkom to change the rules and regulations, we can only make suggestions, complain and hope for the best.

Grow up already or Btech will KLAP you! :D:rolleyes::p
 
Qwikslver said:
I'd pay R1000 a month for 20Mps uncapped internet. I'll most likely have to buy an extra hard drive every month too, But that's ok.
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would another hard drive be necessary when you could just use the net as your harddrive?
 
In some cases the price is not hugely different ...

Telkom do3 4Mbps R554
Menara 4Mbps R648

Main difference is the traffic ... 3Gb vs. Unlimited. Once SEACOM & other cables start landing, it could be doable (pun) here?
 
cablemonkey said:
Not that I *want* to play devil's advocate here; but laying a high-capacity cable between Morocco and the major Internet hub which is Europe is not exactly as daunting a task as laying one from South Africa. The Straits of Gibraltar are like 15km wide :p

Compare that with Seacom which is going to be like 13,700km

In fact, their internet seems to be unjustifiably expensive (considering the distance), just like ours.
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Point taken, but that still doesn't explain why we have to pay for local bandwidth.
 
Saule said:
Point taken, but that still doesn't explain why we have to pay for local bandwidth.
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This probably has more to do with the inability (read expense) of Telkom to count local & intl seperately.

Still there is little reason why local only accounts shouldn't be unlimited. Most of the real heavy local traffic (genetated by those who make a point of keeping up to date with the latest news ;)) is in fact only on-net, with no requirement to transit any local peering links.

I believe as Telkom migrate their ADSL access network from ATM to MertoE and their capacity expansion costs decrease significantly, local will move to an unlimited model.
 
cablemonkey said:
Not that I *want* to play devil's advocate here; but laying a high-capacity cable between Morocco and the major Internet hub which is Europe is not exactly as daunting a task as laying one from South Africa. The Straits of Gibraltar are like 15km wide :p
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That's the problem with taking a "devil's advocate" position, it's usually so horribly wrong that you realise why nobody else was making that argument --- undersea cables are not nearly as expensive as as is usually implied by the likes of Telkom. Last time I checked, I worked out that on Telkom's margins, they (roughly) would be able to install literally three or four entire new SAT3-like cables every single year, and still make a profit. (And that's just Telkom - others like Vodacom have/had similar numbers.) The supposed expense of laying these cables out here to SA is most certainly not the problem, there's no good reason why we don't all have cheap bandwidth coming out of our years by now. These things have long since become easy and cheap to install, there is nothing "daunting" or unusual or even terribly expensive about laying these cables, other countries 'do it every day', the ocean floor is now long since littered with fibre cables between the various continents, with the exception of Africa, and many of those places are at least as "way out" as us.
 
DavidJ said:
undersea cables are not nearly as expensive as as is usually implied by the likes of Telkom.
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Err, I beg to differ. A low depth submarine cable measured in 10s of Km is going to be dramatically cheaper than the roughly $250mil it takes to get one to SA. And anyway its not Telkom, but rather the submarine cable contractors that determine the price of these cables.
DavidJ said:
Last time I checked, I worked out that on Telkom's margins, they (roughly) would be able to install literally three or four entire new SAT3-like cables every single year, and still make a profit.
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I think you need to study Telkom's Fin Results & Reports a little bit closer. 6 month interim results at Sep 2007 state that revenues from Internet Access & Related services come in at R537mil, which we can extrapolate to an even R1bil for the full year. The fixed-line segment provided a 26.6% operating profit margin so we can deduce that of the R1bil, R266mil was clean profit.

This number includes all Internet access; dialup, ADSL, leased line etc. so one can assume the ADSL portion in not the full R266mil. I would say your assumption that Telkom could buy a couple of cables every year (for the purposes of IP data access, mainly ADSL) is the one that's grossly wrong.

Shareholders wont allow you to incur expense without a resonable forecast for ROI. So I would say Telkom's involvment in the Essay and NEPAD projects is probably in line with their future data revenue projections.

DavidJ said:
the ocean floor is now long since littered with fibre cables between the various continents, with the exception of Africa, and many of those places are at least as "way out" as us.
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Most service huge markets that have economies of scale far greater than ours.
 
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pope24 said:
Yup just strap it to the back of one of the illegal immigrants and ask them to connect it when they get to the other side.
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tsk, they'll just sell the copper/fiber when they get there
 
Maroc Telecom Morocco has slashed their ADSL prices, certainly the fastest and cheapest
in Africa (Special From March 03 2008 to May 31, 2008)

128Kb/s = R105/month
256Kb/s = R138/month
512Kb/s = R159/month
1Mb/s = R213/month
2Mb/s = R320/month
4Mb/s = R640/month
8Mb/s = R853/month
20Mb/s = R960/month

1.00 MAD (Moroccan Dirham) = 1.06880 ZAR

Translated Menara Website (French to English)
 
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SA guys, your crappy ADSL sucks so much, MUAHAHAHA

You stole our World Cup but we are taking revenge with our advanced broadband. Now Morocco is Africa's new super-power !

Sorry, haven't got much time to waster here, I'm back to downloading full length movies and games thanks to my uncapped unlimited cheap 4Mps ADSL.
 
Isn't there a feature that alerts one if a thread is over a year old before posting? :)
 
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