I've seen a similar demonstration in SWA of the new SA R4 weapon when they were introducing it to the SADF - at that time the R1 was still sensitive to dust which caused "storings".
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Kosmik
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I don't disagree that they did what you say but I don't believe you should blame the creator and not the perpetrators.
By the same logic, I should support the families of all who were made redundant by the automation software I've written?
rebel998
Expert Member
Best assualt rifle ever built.
Even copies are better field weapons than most of what the west could come up with.
China just copies everything. Most of their weaponry are based on technology developed by other countries. Stolen most of the time.
Even copies are better field weapons than most of what the west could come up with.
China just copies everything. Most of their weaponry are based on technology developed by other countries. Stolen most of the time.
Hosehead
Executive Member
Personally I prefer the Uzi One of the greats
marine1
Honorary Master
Bwahahah, you kidding right?
Look I love Israel and the IDF but the Uzzi is the most pathetic machine gun ever made. Prone to firing on its own, works on open breach IIRC.
I have fired one and had one for a while
Cr@p weapon. Both long originAL AND SHORT ONE.
tHE SHORT ONE IS COOL LOOKING THOUGH LOOKS LIKE A PISTOL
smokey
Honorary Master
Dude, seriously... you fail at derailing. That said - holding a nation accountable for making weapons that work well is stupendously stupid. So they made a weapon that works well - what would you have them do? If you have a hardon about the Soviet Union. Great! Start a thread about it but unless you can derail properly don;t bring it up in this thread.
Russia as the dominant power in the Soviet Union actively supported those perpetrators. They trained them, gave them money, support, indoctrinated them, used many of them, gave them guns and ammo and even showed them how to make AK-47s. That AK-47 was a Soviet Union weapon. Now the Soviet Union has collapsed, Russia wants to just quietly take it over - I don't see them being able to stop anyone from making it - but besides that that gun was a centrepiece of their counter western imperialism - war by proxy - what the Cold War was. It was used on their behalf and with their blessing to kill innocent people around the world - to this very day - because they made so many and they told everyone how to make it - it is now so ubiquitous - but beyond that - during the Soviet years - Russia supported the use of these weapons in a war against its opponents.
No. It's like Nazi Germany developed the V2 rocket in the 30s/40s on the backs of slave labour and tested on civilians in London, and now suddenly the German government wants to reclaim all missile technology for itself and charge everyone IP fees. Well-not before they pay the thousands of slave labourers and dead Londoners they butchered in the development process. It's almost like Germany now wanted to charge information access fees for scientific knowledge gained on experimentation on Death Camp prisoners by the likes of Mengele.
I hope you understand what I'm conveying. Your analogy is way too far off and certainly not as heinous.
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Sackboy
Executive Member
I think his entire reportoir seems to be Russia=bad.Dude, seriously... you fail at derailing. That said - holding a nation accountable for making weapons that work well is stupendously stupid. So they made a weapon that works well - what would you have them do? If you have a hardon about the Soviet Union. Great! Start a thread about it but unless you can derail properly don;t bring it up in this thread.
Ja we know, it was not made by Apple so it must be kuk.
Nothing wrong with the rusky ak-47's
seventhson
Expert Member
The ak-47 was very realible and cheap to make.
Nanfeishen
Executive Member
The AK-47, is just a tool, nothing more.
It became the most prolific, because of American reluctance to supply arms to many countries, including its allies, that were normally only supplied with surplus weapons from the American stockpile.
The Soviet Union could and did supply a reliable product, that was inexpensive, and cheap to make, they grabbed up the customer base from every country that America didnt supply to or sell to through arms embargos.
The M16 could just as easily have been the mass weapon of today, or some other assault rifle, it just happens to be the AK-47 that made it no1.
And as time has shown us, like any well designed tool it does what it was designed to do.
rebel998
Expert Member
I beg to differ.
When it comes to rifles the M16 needs a lot more maintenance than the AK47.
I've seen AK's that have been buried for years just being cocked and shot without cleaning it. Would never be done with a M16.
When it comes to rifles the M16 needs a lot more maintenance than the AK47.
I've seen AK's that have been buried for years just being cocked and shot without cleaning it. Would never be done with a M16.
Ou grote
Honorary Master
I reckon SA's R1 and R5 are better.
We should sell more of them.
We should sell more of them.
Freshy-ZN
Executive Member
R1 was a piece of ***. Only good for target shooting as it was accurate as hell. But it was heavy and unwieldy and high maintenance. Bigger calibre than R4/5 too so ammo was also heavy to lug around. Not so kief running around the bush with all that weight and length.
R4 and R5 are essentially the same thing, just the R5 has a shorter stock and was designed for tank crews and other members that needed free movement. The R4 is ideal for bush warfare.
R4 and R5 are essentially the same thing, just the R5 has a shorter stock and was designed for tank crews and other members that needed free movement. The R4 is ideal for bush warfare.
marine1
Honorary Master
Sorry but what Nan. said about the M16 is rubbish.
On my M4 , if there is a spec of dust, it jams.
That gun needs to be spotless.
The AK can have mud inside and it fires first time.
R1 is for heavy assault, vehicles and yes very heavy and bigger round.
R4/ R5 / R6 much better, .223/5.56 ammo so more practical.
On my M4 , if there is a spec of dust, it jams.
That gun needs to be spotless.
The AK can have mud inside and it fires first time.
R1 is for heavy assault, vehicles and yes very heavy and bigger round.
R4/ R5 / R6 much better, .223/5.56 ammo so more practical.
Ou grote
Honorary Master
AK is for short range shooting on Automatic.
If you want to hit somebody, you use a R1 or R5.
If you want to hit somebody, you use a R1 or R5.
Hellbilly Deluxe
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the ak 47 and the ak74 are awesome guns when it comes to working under almost any conditions , however after firing both and then firing the m16 and the m4 , i have to say i prefer the yanks weapon , sure its a pain to keep it cleans , but its lighter , has a hell of a lot less recoil and is marginaly more accurate imho , just keep the damn thing clean
smokey
Honorary Master
How the heck do you keep it clean in the desert? If a "speck of dust" screws it up, I can only imagine the trouble you would have going out with it in Iraq etc etc.
Hellbilly Deluxe
Well-Known Member
the " speck " of dust that is always talked about is way overstated , it works and can take some abuse , not as much as the the ak47 but some , if the gun stopped working all the time due to small amounts of dirt it would not have been used since the 70`s