AK 47 Copyright

[marine1]

the " speck " of dust that is always talked about is way overstated , it works and can take some abuse , not as much as the the ak47 but some , if the gun stopped working all the time due to small amounts of dirt it would not have been used since the 70`s

Rubbish, my M4 jams if there is a SPEC of dust.
Just remember that they had such issues with these guns that they HAD to fix the upper receiver and thats why today you have the A2 and A3 flat top receiver.
It was for those very reasons that these mods were made.
The A1 was a disaster.
The only reason the M16 was used in the 70's was political

 

[Palimino]

Probably the best assault rifle out there.

The AK 47 bayonet was also the best. I don’t know if all AK’s had the same bayonet, but the Chinese one was cool.

 

[Tamagotchi]

AK-47. The very best there is. When you absolutely, positively got to kill every m*th*r*****er in the room, accept no substitutes-Ordell Robbie


1)-That said as far I know the AK was the best assault rifle in the world. Tha FN-FAL known to us the R1 was the best weapon NATO and the west had. The uzi and not uzzi (that's a clothing brand, OK) was/ is not an assault rifle, it's not even a rifle.

2)- How in the world can you blame the AK for being effective. How can you say that it was responsible for so many people getting killed. How can you say it is responsible for Cash-in transits. Criminals want money, they rob, they need weapons, there's no "We won't rob 'cause there's no AK's, so we'll wait 'till they develop something effective" They will rob anyways, using bottle-necks if they have to.

3)- I see a lot of the posters have either fired or owned AK's, M4's, M16's and uzzis, where the hell do you guys live, I'd also like to shoot those guns. C'mon hook me up.

4)-The AK is over 60 years old ,are you telling me there's still no better rifle in the world. The other day I saw a demo of the XM8 ( yes, on TV) and it seems to be one helluva weapon, pity it's not in production (or should it be ,Thank God it's not in production)

 

[Kosmik]

4)-[/B]The AK is over 60 years old ,are you telling me there's still no better rifle in the world. The other day I saw a demo of the XM8 ( yes, on TV) and it seems to be one helluva weapon, pity it's not in production (or should it be ,Thank God it's not in production)

I think I saw a article a while ago that a newer model was made, AK 97?

*edit* nevermind I see thats rubbish according to wiki

 

[Ou grote]

AK-47. The very best there is. When you absolutely, positively got to kill every m*th*r*****er in the room, accept no substitutes-Ordell Robbie


1)-That said as far I know the AK was the best assault rifle in the world. Tha FN-FAL known to us the R1 was the best weapon NATO and the west had. The uzi and not uzzi (that's a clothing brand, OK) was/ is not an assault rifle, it's not even a rifle.

2)- How in the world can you blame the AK for being effective. How can you say that it was responsible for so many people getting killed. How can you say it is responsible for Cash-in transits. Criminals want money, they rob, they need weapons, there's no "We won't rob 'cause there's no AK's, so we'll wait 'till they develop something effective" They will rob anyways, using bottle-necks if they have to.

3)- I see a lot of the posters have either fired or owned AK's, M4's, M16's and uzzis, where the hell do you guys live, I'd also like to shoot those guns. C'mon hook me up.

4)-The AK is over 60 years old ,are you telling me there's still no better rifle in the world. The other day I saw a demo of the XM8 ( yes, on TV) and it seems to be one helluva weapon, pity it's not in production (or should it be ,Thank God it's not in production)

Some of us did National Service.
We had an AIDS free army once.

 

[ponder]

I think I saw a article a while ago that a newer model was made, AK 97?

*edit* nevermind I see thats rubbish according to wiki

There are AK101-108 rifles from the '90s

 

[Nanfeishen]

There are AK101-108 rifles from the '90s

The AK101 is mainly for the export market, the AK74M, is still the mainstay weapon of the Russian Federation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-101

On a comparison between the AK47 and the M16, one can see the completely different and diverse thinking behind the design and conception of both:

The M16 and the AK-47 design, capabilities, and role on the battlefield were reflections of the different experience and doctrine of the United States and the Soviet Union.

The AK-47 was the result of Soviet combat experience during World War II. Studies of battlefield reports showed most combat occurred within 300 meters, and the winner was usually the side with the most firepower. The bolt-action and semi-automatic rifles used on the Eastern Front were not optimal choices for this kind of combat, and the late-war submachine guns employed to compensate for these shortcomings lacked range and accuracy, leading to compromise designs such as the SKS, and later AK-47, with the AK-47 considered the ultimate answer to these goals. It gave the average soldier a high rate of fire rendering an AK-equipped squad’s firepower equivalent to submachine guns at close range, while also having a sufficiently powerful cartridge to engage moderately distant targets. The AK-47 was never meant to be a rifle that was effectively accurate at ranges beyond 600 meters since in mobile warfare, distances were covered rather quickly. It also had the advantage of not needing particularly experienced soldiers to be effective—it required very little maintenance, and accuracy was not very important which was ideal for the large conscript-based Soviet army. Weight was not important either because Soviet doctrine placed an emphasis on the use of armored spearheads in an attack, followed closely by troop transports like the BTR-70 (which later culminated in the IFV concept; see M2 Bradley and BMP-2). Later models, such as the AKM and AK-74, are significantly lighter and more accurate than the original AK-47.

The M16, on the other hand, was influenced by the U.S. Army's preference for an accurate semi-automatic weapon. Although the U.S. Army’s studies into World War II combat accounts came up with very similar results to that of the Soviets', the Army maintained its traditional views and preferred highly accurate weapons. This culminated in the M14. Combat experience in Vietnam showed this was anachronistic. A replacement was needed, a medium between the traditional philosophy of highly accurate semi-automatic rifles and the AK-47. Lighter weight, accuracy and ergonomics were the priority for the American armed forces, and aviation materials were used in its construction, which resulted in higher costs per unit when compared to the simple steel construction of the AK-47. Because American patrols in the thick Vietnamese jungle during the Vietnam War were restricted to foot and later on, helicopter movement, weight was a very important consideration

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16

WRT the R1-FN that we used initially, it was decided it was the best out of 3 that were tested for the old SADF, the 3 were the G3, the Armalite AR-10, and the FN FAL. SA was also given permission to produce the FN FAL under licence, so it became the weapon of choice, until the adaption of the Galil/R4.

After a competition between the German G3 rifle, the Armalite AR-10, and the FN FAL, the South African Defence Force adopted three variants of the FAL: a rifle with the designation R1, a "lightweight" variant of the FN FAL 50.64 fabricated locally under the designation R2, and a model designed for police use not capable of automatic fire under the designation R3.[15] The R2 was built by Lyttleton Engineering Works and Armscor. The FN FAL also formed the basis of the 7.62 mm LMG, with a heavy barrel and hence unanimously known as the "swaarloop". The R1 rifle in South African service was superseded around the mid-1980s with the locally built 5.56 mm R4 assault rifle, a license-built version of the Israeli Galil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_FAL

The R1 was a very good rifle for its time, however there were a number of drawbacks:
Weight,WRT to carrying in the ready position
Running through undergrowth and bush, was sometimes problematic due to its length.
Mounting and dismounting from vehicles due to length.
Not suitable for close combat, and urban warfare, ponderous and heavy to keep in the shouder when moving, length tendered to make it waver a lot trying to fire and move.
Some models compensated for that by coming out with a folding stock, and slightly shorter barrel, but they were not enough to become standard issue.
So the Galil/R4 was adapted, being lighter and easier to handle.

 

[Tamagotchi]

The AK101 is mainly for the export market, the AK74M, is still the mainstay weapon of the Russian Federation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-101

On a comparison between the AK47 and the M16, one can see the completely different and diverse thinking behind the design and conception of both:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16

WRT the R1-FN that we used initially, it was decided it was the best out of 3 that were tested for the old SADF, the 3 were the G3, the Armalite AR-10, and the FN FAL. SA was also given permission to produce the FN FAL under licence, so it became the weapon of choice, until the adaption of the Galil/R4.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_FAL

The R1 was a very good rifle for its time, however there were a number of drawbacks:
Weight,WRT to carrying in the ready position
Running through undergrowth and bush, was sometimes problematic due to its length.
Mounting and dismounting from vehicles due to length.
Not suitable for close combat, and urban warfare, ponderous and heavy to keep in the shouder when moving, length tendered to make it waver a lot trying to fire and move.
Some models compensated for that by coming out with a folding stock, and slightly shorter barrel, but they were not enough to become standard issue.
So the Galil/R4 was adapted, being lighter and easier to handle.

Informative and accurate.

Thanks.

 

[w1z4rd]

Probably the best assault rifle out there.

You mean "best cheap assault rifle" surely?

From what I understand theyre nice because of their ease of use, low price and low maintenance but are as accurate as a right winger.

 

[bobby.quinne]

I have shot nearly all versions and I found the Russian to be more accurate and much heavier.
You can tell just by picking it up that it is original

You tried out the AK-74 and AK-101?

The AN-94 is a stunning piece of kit.

 

[bobby.quinne]

Running through undergrowth and bush, was sometimes problematic due to its length.

The US marines encountered this in Vietnam as well using the m-14 at the time.

 

[Sackboy]

Best assualt rifle ever built.

Even copies are better field weapons than most of what the west could come up with.

China just copies everything. Most of their weaponry are based on technology developed by other countries. Stolen most of the time.

SA and Israel copied components of the AK as well. As did the Nordic countries. Finland for example.

 

[w1z4rd]

SA and Israel copied components of the AK as well. As did the Nordic countries. Finland for example.

I dont know much about this.. sincerely... so could I ask you which bits Israel, SA and Finish companies copied? I would be curious to learn more.

 

[Ou grote]

The US marines encountered this in Vietnam as well using the m-14 at the time.

The US did lots of running when they were in Nam, except when Rambo and Chuck Norris were there.

 

[Sackboy]

I dont know much about this.. sincerely... so could I ask you which bits Israel, SA and Finish companies copied? I would be curious to learn more.

The R4 is a variant of the Israeli Galil rifle, which, in turn, is based on the Finnish RK 62.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weapons_influenced_by_the_Kalashnikov_design

The Galil series of rifles are selective fire weapons operated by a Kalashnikov-pattern gas-driven piston system with no regulator. The weapon is locked with a rotary bolt with two locking lugs that lock into recesses milled into the receiver.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galil

The rifle's fire selector lever is on the right side of the receiver and is similar in design to the one used in the AK

wiki

The magazine is inserted front end first in a similar manner to the AK family.

wiki

Important Notes

Many serious students of firearms consider the Galil to be the "ultimate" AK rifle.

http://users.rcn.com/philistine/galil/Galil_Rifles.html

 

[rebel998]

Well in my opinion the next best thing to an AK is the R4/5.

Low maintenance is key when operating in the bush.

 

[Sackboy]

Well in my opinion the next best thing to an AK is the R4/5.

Low maintenance is key when operating in the bush.

So is cover penetration, which the AK derivatives do well.

 

[happychappy]

The Russian Ak is maybe the best weapon ever made, the russian version has a lot less recoil and the build quality is simply exquisite.

peterCH doesn't have a clue what he is talking about... Chinese rifles were cheap knock offs made to arm millions during the cold war, they actually are made on a quite different blue print compared with the original russian ak. If you fire both you will feel and hear the difference on both guns. When firing bursts you will quickly notice how much more reliable and accurate the russian ak is.

 

[marine1]

There is no comparison !!

 

[rebel998]

There is no comparison !!

Ok, so now we all agree on that...how are they ever going to control this so-called copyright?

I want to see them get the Chinese to stop making copies.