All you programmers out there, please chime in.

Harmonic said:
Thanks for the laughs :ROFL: :ROFL::ROFL:
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I really feel sorry for people who think their coding skills and computer knowledge should be linked to a computer science degree when everything is published for free on the internet
 
dontcryforme said:
And the mighty also fall - just harder than the rest. I enjoy watching Standard Bank having monthly issues. Standard Bank staff aren't laughing, they are most likely retrenched which Standard Bank has been doing on an annual basis - which explains why poor hamster and semaphore is on here.
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Does telling yourself these stories make you feel better about yourself?

dontcryforme said:
Any idiot can publish anything, most highschoolers have their works published on a national level before they reach matric. It really is no flex. And to publish something internationally also isn't a flex, you may as well be an unpaid intern at Media24.
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Since apparently you are unfamiliar with academia: I am referring to publications in peer reviewed international scientific conferences and journals. You know... the ones where the MIT, Stanford, Harvard, Oxford, Cambridge, MSR, etc. professors, post-docs, corporate researchers, etc., also publish. Some of my publications have hundreds of citations in other peer reviewed publications.

dontcryforme said:
If you need your ego stroked, MBB isn't really the place hey - your degree is worth less than the paper its printed on. The university that tricked you into overpaying for it while you waste years of your time learning things that became obsolete a few years later - they are the only ones laughing all the way to the bank.
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In all seriousness, have you considered researching the content of degrees, and the reasons for doing them? It is obvious to any educated person reading this thread, that you are not familiar with higher education. You don't learn things that become obsolete a few years later, you learn fundamentals that are always applicable and always of value. My degree was 30 years ago - the same principles I learned then, apply today. Furthermore, because of my qualifications, even from the start of my career, I was able to work on some of the most challenging problems in technology, and this experience compounded year after year.
 
cguy said:
Does telling yourself these stories make you feel better about yourself?


Since apparently you are unfamiliar with academia: I am referring to publications in peer reviewed international scientific conferences and journals. You know... the ones where the MIT, Stanford, Harvard, Oxford, Cambridge, MSR, etc. professors, post-docs, corporate researchers, etc., also publish. Some of my publications have hundreds of citations in other peer reviewed publications.


In all seriousness, have you considered researching the content of degrees, and the reasons for doing them? It is obvious to any educated person reading this thread, that you are not familiar with higher education. You don't learn things that become obsolete a few years later, you learn fundamentals that are always applicable and always of value. My degree was 30 years ago - the same principles I learned then, apply today. Furthermore, because of my qualifications, even from the start of my career, I was able to work on some of the most challenging problems in technology, and this experience compounded year after year.
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It doesn't help you have an education from the prior century in technology.

I've met highly educated computer scientists too stupid to implement basic encryption - which 30 years ago wasn't a fundamental but is today.

And again, can you be so educated if you need your ego stroked? By yourself?
 
dontcryforme said:
I really feel sorry for people who think their coding skills and computer knowledge should be linked to a computer science degree when everything is published for free on the internet
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The information may be out there, but the ability to grok it in under 3-9 years (depending on topic) isn't in your head, unless you've spent years studying it. If you're going to study it, you may as well do a degree so that employers can find you.
 
cguy said:
The information may be out there, but the ability to grok it in under 3-9 years (depending on topic) isn't in your head, unless you've spent years studying it. If you're going to study it, you may as well do a degree so that employers can find you.
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You need a portfolio - thats what employers want if you want to go the employment direction.

Not a degree
 
dontcryforme said:
It doesn't help you have an education from the prior century in technology.
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It literally helps me every day. You're also conflating computer science and technology. They're related, but they're not the same thing.

dontcryforme said:
I've met highly educated computer scientists too stupid to implement basic encryption - which 30 years ago wasn't a fundamental but is today.
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What nonsense.

dontcryforme said:
And again, can you be so educated if you need your ego stroked? By yourself?
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No ego stroking here, just facts. If you can't deal with that, it's your issue.
 
dontcryforme said:
You need a portfolio - thats what employers want if you want to go the employment direction.

Not a degree
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For a bottom level role, with less than optimal career prospects, yes. Top tier companies aren't going to hire you because you made a web page.
 
cguy said:
What nonsense
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Easy to call it nonsense without countering.

Again, if all what education in computers 30 years ago offered you to be a keyboard warrior, I can see why you need your ego stroked about your so called degree
 
cguy said:
For a bottom level role, with less than optimal career prospects, yes. Top tier companies aren't going to hire you because you made a web page.
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You can't seriously think with zero portfolio and just a computer science degree you will walk into a managerial role?
 
dontcryforme said:
Easy to call it nonsense without countering.
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You somehow landed up in a position where you got to watch multiple computer scientists fail to implement encryption algorithms? Right...

dontcryforme said:
Again, if all what education in computers 30 years ago offered you to be a keyboard warrior, I can see why you need your ego stroked about your so called degree
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I'm here offering advice. You're the one posting daft conspiracies about big tech taking over education, creating non-cogent arguments about Musk and Zuckerberg, while simultaneously maintaining a staunch position on something you clearly know very little about.

Perhaps some self-reflection, or at least some self-awareness would be in order?
 
@CW67 here is what you need to succeed in the next decade with your expansion into development:

  1. You do not need a degree, you need a good portfolio of the apps you are building
  2. Keep all the code of every single app, you may need it again later
  3. Work on encryption and security from the start (its a hot topic right now - many seasoned developers are struggling with)
  4. You will get a junior role, just have your portfolio and be prepared for a coding test at your interviews
  5. If you continue to innovate and learn new methods and staying up to date with tech, you will advance
 
dontcryforme said:
@CW67 here is what you need to succeed in the next decade with your expansion into development:

  1. You do not need a degree, you need a good portfolio of the apps you are building
  2. Keep all the code of every single app, you may need it again later
  3. Work on encryption and security from the start (its a hot topic right now - many seasoned developers are struggling with)
  4. You will get a junior role, just have your portfolio and be prepared for a coding test at your interviews
  5. If you continue to innovate and learn new methods and staying up to date with tech, you will advance
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Are you self employed?
 
dontcryforme said:
I really feel sorry for people who think their coding skills and computer knowledge should be linked to a computer science degree when everything is published for free on the internet
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You think all of programming is building simple CRUD apps, which at this point AI can do reasonably well by stringing together open source projects.

Throw a non degreed "coder" into a scientific role and watch 99.99999% of them crash and fail very quickly.

Just as an aside, you do know computer science is not actually "programming" in the way you think right? It's fundamentally a branch of mathematics.

That said, without proper education how could anyone expect you to know that?
 
Harmonic said:
Throw a non degreed "coder" into a scientific role and watch 99.99999% of them crash and fail very quickly.

Just as an aside, you do know computer science is not actually "programming" in the way you think right? It's fundamentally a branch of mathematics.
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This thread is about coding in Python to be exact
 
dontcryforme said:
@CW67 Elon Musk repeats:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1879531470886465545
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I agree with Elon's sentiments in principle, and many companies have said similar things. What they are speaking against is the strict requirement to have the "piece of paper". They still highly value the knowledge and skills one gets within a degree, and for one to actually do something that will get their attention, you will likely have to obtain that skill/knowledge/training somehow.

Case in point: X.com has exactly 16 Principal Engineers on LinkedIn. Every single one has a degree - several have have MSc or PhD's too. To the OP - this doesn't mean you can't have a good career without a degree, but it does mean that it likely won't be at X.com.
 
cguy said:
I agree with Elon's sentiments in principle, and many companies have said similar things. What they are speaking against is the strict requirement to have the "piece of paper". They still highly value the knowledge and skills one gets within a degree, and for one to actually do something that will get their attention, you will likely have to obtain that skill/knowledge/training somehow.

Case in point: X.com has exactly 16 Principal Engineers on LinkedIn. Every single one has a degree - several have have MSc or PhD's too. To the OP - this doesn't mean you can't have a good career without a degree, but it does mean that it likely won't be at X.com.
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You do not need a degree
 
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