Android 9 does not support call recording

marine1 said:
However, we think, call recording support could be part of Google Play Services and rolled out quickly if wanted
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This is because Google FoolPlay Services should see all your recordings first.
/And send it back home when neccessary/
 
The easy solution for me is not to upgrade to Pie at all. I still have a year left on my contract and will then move to Apple where there are a few paid apps that allow call recording. Android has become a useless OS and any phone that runs it too.
 
Lew Skannen said:
The easy solution for me is not to upgrade to Pie at all. I still have a year left on my contract and will then move to Apple where there are a few paid apps that allow call recording. Android has become a useless OS and any phone that runs it too.
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Makes sense, let's move away from an ecosystem that works, is flexible and unfortunately choose to comply with a law that is applicable in many first world countries to an ecosystem where the primary marketing strategy is to remove useful features and piss everyone off.

This effected paid and free aps on android, and while apple has no plans to follow suite, swing as pissing off users is their motto, don't expect it to stay that way for long. Soon enough all manufacturers will release recorders built into the dialer and this functionality will be returned. No need to cut off your face to spite your nose.
 
CranialBlaze said:
Makes sense, let's move away from an ecosystem that works, is flexible and unfortunately choose to comply with a law that is applicable in many first world countries to an ecosystem where the primary marketing strategy is to remove useful features and piss everyone off.

This effected paid and free aps on android, and while apple has no plans to follow suite, swing as pissing off users is their motto, don't expect it to stay that way for long. Soon enough all manufacturers will release recorders built into the dialer and this functionality will be returned. No need to cut off your face to spite your nose.
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Yep, just moving to and utilizing a device which caters for my business needs. I have no need for a mobile device for personal use at all. Family and friends can call me after hours at home on the landline.

If Samsung wants to sell me another Note 9 or Note 10 or whatever by the end of this year, I truly hope that they would have call recording built into their devices. If not, well, business is more important than using working ecosystems that means nothing for me.
 
Lew Skannen said:
Yep, just moving to and utilizing a device which caters for my business needs. I have no need for a mobile device for personal use at all. Family and friends can call me after hours at home on the landline.

If Samsung wants to sell me another Note 9 or Note 10 or whatever by the end of this year, I truly hope that they would have call recording built into their devices. If not, well, business is more important than using working ecosystems that means nothing for me.
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As one of the most popular devices they would be stupid not too with Huawei and Xiaomi already doing and Huawei doing a bang up job of eating into their market share in many regions. I would not be surprised if they drop it into an os update.

Google simply did this as the vanilla os is uncontrolled, the exact same version drops to all regions as Google does not control the devices, with the exception of the pixel. Many of the oems release different configs based on region.

The Nokia 6,which I owned was confusing AF for me as it had 6 varients, some had dual sim, others not, but only 1 had a notification led and that one only went to India.

Last I checked Sam mobile it had near 30 varients of its os, I presume to comply with certain network and legal restrictions.

In SA its legal to record a call for non legal reasons without 2 party consent. So for businesses, my presumption is more for memory than legal, or just inform them, either way. Samsung could choose to drop on in the dialer as there is no legal reason not too, where as much of Europe and America requires 2 party regardless of the reason for the call, so there they would not or they would levy that responsibility onto the carrier as to weather or not to enable the feature. That does also mean that route cild result in silly things like Vodacom users have a recorder and mtn not.
 
AlphaJohn said:
Actually its the opposite, instead of trying to play police in countries where its illegal (Mostly EU), Android simply removed the API's for call recording.
OEM's can still add either the API or build the functionality directly into their phones. In doing so they limit where the phones are allowed to be sold.
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CranialBlaze said:
choose to comply with a law that is applicable in many first world countries
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I'm unconvinced. In which countries is it illegal to sell a phone capable of call recording?

I suspect the law in "many first world countries" governs what a user may or may not do, but I doubt whether it governs the call-recording capability of the device itself.

After all, most countries have speed limits on their roads. All allow cars to be sold that are capable of exceeding the speed limit. Complying with usage laws is a user's responsibility no matter what the capability of the machine. It would be outrageous if Daimler decided to limit their cars to the legal top speed in that country.
 
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Arthur said:
I'm unconvinced. In which countries is it illegal to sell a phone capable of call recording?

I suspect the laws in "many first world countries" governs what a user may or may not do, but I doubt whether it governs the call-recording capability of the device itself.

After all, most countries have speed limits on their roads. All allow cars to be sold that are capable of exceeding the speed limit. Complying with usage laws is a user's responsibility no matter what the capability of the machine.
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Googles logic not mine, they moved the required permissions from user level to system level which allows OEM and root to still support call recording but not the general apps because call recording is illegal in many countries.

It both does and does not make sense, sure they removing any potential legal liability to the OEM, but I am also yet to hear of anyone sueing toyata for the speeding driver.

I am guessing there is either more financially driven or neferious reason behind this change.
 
CranialBlaze said:
Googles logic not mine, they moved the required permissions from user level to system level which allows OEM and root to still support call recording but not the general apps because call recording is illegal in many countries.

It both does and does not make sense, sure they removing any potential legal liability to the OEM, but I am also yet to hear of anyone sueing toyata for the speeding driver.

I am guessing there is either more financially driven or neferious reason behind this change.
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I don't see Apple or Microsoft imposing this on their users, so Google's excuse is bullshit.

"Do no evil". Yeah sure.
 
... It might well be that Google is doing this as part of a secret deal with The Great Surveillance States (USA, EU, mainly) ~ Google will provide an easier secret back door, remove some 'sensitive user surveillance' capability, and help fight "fake news" on their platforms, all in return for better immunity from anti-trust prosecutions...
 
CranialBlaze said:
MS does not have phones to impliment, aka remove, this feature from
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There are still several million Win 10 Mobile users in the EU. Sure the platform is EOL and old, but it wasn't too long ago that it outsold iOS in countries like Italy and the Nordics. We're a shrinking but still dedicated bunch of users. Call recording was not disabled in January's monthly update.
 
Arthur said:
There are still several million Win 10 Mobile users in the EU. Sure the platform is EOL and old, but it wasn't too long ago that it outsold iOS in countries like Italy and the Nordics. We're a shrinking but still dedicated bunch of users.
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Yes, but Ms has left, so those devices won't be getting any major updates, if any, in future and users have been instructed to look at Google or apple for future devices.

Would be no point removing a feature from a dead horse.
 
CranialBlaze said:
Yes, but Ms has left, so those devices won't be getting any major updates, if any, in future and users have been instructed to look at Google or apple for future devices.

Would be no point removing a feature from a dead horse.
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Win 10 Mobile gets regular updates, and will until Dec 2019.

It seems pretty obvious that Google's proffered reason (legal compliance) is pure bullshit. If this were the law, others would also have to comply. That they're continuing to retain the capability gives the lie to Google. Which makes one wonder what the real reason is for removing this capability. It might well be nefarious.
 
Apple does not allow call recording either. If you want to record calls on iOS you need to place the call on hold, dial a special service provider that will perform the recording, snd then go to conference mode so tha call recording server can hear the whole conversion. Totally impractical, and they charge you for the service too.
 
OomD said:
Apple does not allow call recording either. If you want to record calls on iOS you need to place the call on hold, dial a special service provider that will perform the recording, snd then go to conference mode so tha call recording server can hear the whole conversion. Totally impractical, and they charge you for the service too.
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Going to apple over this is as stupid as goole stopping people from recording their own converations
 
OomD said:
Apple does not allow call recording either. If you want to record calls on iOS you need to place the call on hold, dial a special service provider that will perform the recording, snd then go to conference mode so tha call recording server can hear the whole conversion. Totally impractical, and they charge you for the service too.
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Could probably just make use of a variety of VOIP call options and use the provider from the word go.

I’m almost certain Skype for Business allows recording.
 
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