Apple not convinced by NFC yet

[Crowley]

It’s not clear that NFC is the solution to any current problem, Schiller said. "Passbook does the kinds of things customers need today."

Apple doing their own thing while the rest of the world standardise. Again.

 

[Dolby]

Bluetooth 4.0 will win out over NFC.

You can quote me on that prediction

Don't Apple limit their BT anyhow .... ?

I remember a decade back sending photos from my Nokia

 

[ShawnStar]

I would not buy a cellphone without NFC. Sony NFC tags (or any nfc tags) are the ****z, best thing since sliced bread!

Apple fanboys should really not be commenting on this one as they have no idea what they are missing!

I have 5 tags all setup to launch/close different apps and switch on/off different hardware...
I get in my car, touch my tag and wireless goes off, bluetooth goes on, GPS goes on, torque app launches, and then phone connects to OBD2 adapter and bluetooth car kit without me touching a button....

Another two at work, one next to my bed, and one attached behind my watch on my wrist

The possibilities are endless, can't wait for NFC payments...

 

[RaptorSA]

I would not buy a cellphone without NFC. Sony NFC tags (or any nfc tags) are the ****z, best thing since sliced bread!

Apple fanboys should really not be commenting on this one as they have no idea what they are missing!

I have 5 tags all setup to launch/close different apps and switch on/off different hardware...
I get in my car, touch my tag and wireless goes off, bluetooth goes on, GPS goes on, torque app launches, and then phone connects to OBD2 adapter and bluetooth car kit without me touching a button....

Another two at work, one next to my bed, and one attached behind my watch on my wrist

The possibilities are endless, can't wait for NFC payments...

Eina. Poor Apple :erm:
Their "revolutionary" R&D team must have missed that one.

 

[JStrike]

Giving you the benefit of the doubt here as I know nothing about BT4. But this would then nessesetate all vedors to change their POS to accomodate BT4?

Bluetooth already has massive industry support. NFC not so much

 

[JStrike]

Don't Apple limit their BT anyhow .... ?

I remember a decade back sending photos from my Nokia

If I remember correctly, they do limit it. That might have changed though.
But Bluetooth 4.0 is still the way the industry is headed. NFC is old tech that seems to have become a recent buzzword for no reason.

NFC is the new Flash

 

[JStrike]

I would not buy a cellphone without NFC. Sony NFC tags (or any nfc tags) are the ****z, best thing since sliced bread!

Apple fanboys should really not be commenting on this one as they have no idea what they are missing!

I have 5 tags all setup to launch/close different apps and switch on/off different hardware...
I get in my car, touch my tag and wireless goes off, bluetooth goes on, GPS goes on, torque app launches, and then phone connects to OBD2 adapter and bluetooth car kit without me touching a button....

Another two at work, one next to my bed, and one attached behind my watch on my wrist

The possibilities are endless, can't wait for NFC payments...

Oh really? So you know the contactless payment and authentication industry quite well, if you are telling us to not comment.

So, please do explain to me why NFC is suddenly this amazing tech, and why Bluetooth 4.0 will lose out to it?

 

[ShawnStar]

Eina. Poor Apple :erm:
Their "revolutionary" R&D team must have missed that one.

I think they might have left NFC out cause they know their fanboys are not tech savvy and will probably not know how to set the tags up lol

 

[Roman4604]

Doesn't iOS's Passbook just use on-screen rendered barcodes for contactless voucher/coupon payments & ticket access? The agent just scans your phone instead of paper.

Its also supposedly location aware, so for instance if you arrive at the airport, your boarding pass will be automatically displayed on the lock screen, ready for scanning.

 

[ShawnStar]

Oh really? So you know the contactless payment and authentication industry quite well, if you are telling us to not comment.

So, please do explain to me why NFC is suddenly this amazing tech, and why Bluetooth 4.0 will lose out to it?

I said Apple fanboys should not comment, not sure if you are one... huge dif between Apple fanboy and Apple user...

Reason I said they should not comment is because if you are a Apple fanboy then you would have never used NFC and no matter what anyone says a fanboy will keep on hatin....
How can one diss/write crap about something that they never used before????

You tell me where I said Bluetooth 4 will loose out and where I said I know the contactless payment industry...
I re-read my post and I sure do not mention anything about that...
All I said is I can't wait for NFC payments, after all, there were plenty articles in the past looking into using NFC as a way of paying for whatever... I don't really care if they do it over bluetooth or nfc, they must just do it already!

It's amazing because you touch a tag and your phone will do whatever the tag was setup to do, so no fiddling with your phone, for me it saves time, and I think it's a great feature to have, but I guess iphone users/fanboys will not know anything about it... as no iphone has NFC...

 

[milomak]

how secure would nfc payments be?

 

[Haldex]

I said Apple fanboys should not comment, not sure if you are one... huge dif between Apple fanboy and Apple user...

Reason I said they should not comment is because if you are a Apple fanboy then you would have never used NFC and no matter what anyone says a fanboy will keep on hatin....
How can one diss/write crap about something that they never used before????

You tell me where I said Bluetooth 4 will loose out and where I said I know the contactless payment industry...
I re-read my post and I sure do not mention anything about that...
All I said is I can't wait for NFC payments, after all, there were plenty articles in the past looking into using NFC as a way of paying for whatever... I don't really care if they do it over bluetooth or nfc, they must just do it already!

It's amazing because you touch a tag and your phone will do whatever the tag was setup to do, so no fiddling with your phone, for me it saves time, and I think it's a great feature to have, but I guess iphone users/fanboys will not know anything about it... as no iphone has NFC...

I had NFC in the BB9900, never used it once, there was no need, still no need.

 

[sand_man]

how secure would nfc payments be?

[video]http://money.cnn.com/video/technology/2012/08/13/ts-blackhat-nfc-hack-mobile.cnnmoney/[/video]

With this new contactless technology set to become an important part of our lives, people have some valid and understandable security concerns. When using new technologies, the best way to protect yourself against potential pitfalls is to know the risks associated with them.

One of the most common concerns with NFC technology is that of eavesdropping. Eavesdropping occurs when a third party intercepts the signal sent between two devices. If that third party intercepted a data transmission between a smartphone and a credit card reader then, in theory, they would have access to that person’s credit card information. They might also pick up other personal information passed between two smartphones.

Another security concern is data manipulation or corruption. This occurs when a third party intercepts the signal being sent, alters it, and sends it on its way. The information the receiving party gets may be corrupt or modified. The attacker may or may not want to steal the information. In some cases, the attacker simply wants to prevent the correct information from getting through. This is often known as a denial of service attack.

Finally, the last of the security comes in the form of viruses. While smartphone viruses are currently few and far between, they are growing. Security companies have pointed out that when smartphones provide little financial gain for hackers, they are targeted less. NFC technology would allow users to store valuable bank account and credit card information on their smartphones, thus making them a target.

NFC compatible devices can only communicate when they are within four centimeters of each other.
NFC tags do not power themselves. Instead, they rely on power from the smartphone or other device interacting with them.
The first smartphone virus, a Trojan, was detected in October 2010 and several more have appeared sinc

 

[sand_man]

http://appleinsider.com/articles/12...fc_technology_to_power_ios_6_retail_apps.html

In Passbook, Apple's example tickets and coupons all simply use standard bar codes, which any virtually retailer or ticket vendor can already read. This strategy is therefore very similar to Apple's new iOS 6 Maps, which effectively duplicates the value of Google's years of efforts to collect StreetView images using its dynamically created 3D Flyover feature instead.

Rather than speculatively scrambling a new hardware technology to market and bringing serious security concerns along with it, Apple has worked to deliver Passbook as a package of software features that addresses specific existing issues, with significant concern given to security.

 

[ShawnStar]

I had NFC in the BB9900, never used it once, there was no need, still no need.

Also had a that BB with NFC for a year, never used it. Only stated to use it when I got the tags with a new phone, and damn, if I had used tags with the bb i would save me plenty of battery power

I don't switch on all hardware like BT, wireless, 3G and GPS, uses to much power and you need to charge once a day if you leave it all on.

Having tags setup to switch it on/off and launch apps when and where you use it saves battery life and time for me, one press on a tag and it's done... and yes, saving a few seconds is defiantly worth it lol

Like the tag underneath my watch, switches everything off (can still make/receive calls though) and closes all apps, no need to do it manually...

Oh, you never shared contacts with your BB over NFC? or pictures etc? Much quicker that BT... no pairing involved...


But no need to use it if you don't want to

 

[JStrike]

I said Apple fanboys should not comment, not sure if you are one... huge dif between Apple fanboy and Apple user...

Reason I said they should not comment is because if you are a Apple fanboy then you would have never used NFC and no matter what anyone says a fanboy will keep on hatin....
How can one diss/write crap about something that they never used before????

You tell me where I said Bluetooth 4 will loose out and where I said I know the contactless payment industry...
I re-read my post and I sure do not mention anything about that...
All I said is I can't wait for NFC payments, after all, there were plenty articles in the past looking into using NFC as a way of paying for whatever... I don't really care if they do it over bluetooth or nfc, they must just do it already!

It's amazing because you touch a tag and your phone will do whatever the tag was setup to do, so no fiddling with your phone, for me it saves time, and I think it's a great feature to have, but I guess iphone users/fanboys will not know anything about it... as no iphone has NFC...

Bluetooth 4.0 does that as well, but has broad industry support.

I am an Apple fan, but I have done quite a bit in NFC. Why would I not have even used it???

 

[ShawnStar]

Bluetooth 4.0 does that as well, but has broad industry support.

I am an Apple fan, but I have done quite a bit in NFC. Why would I not have even used it???

Well, then you are not a "die hard" Fanboy lol Apple fanboys don't touch anything else but an Iphone, so they would never have played with it as no Iphone has NFC...

If you have done quite a bit in NFC would you not want a phone to have NFC so that you can use it? Or do you (or company) own a second phone with NFC for testing?

 

[JStrike]

Well, then you are not a "die hard" Fanboy lol Apple fanboys don't touch anything else but an Iphone, so they would never have played with it...

If you have done quite a bit in NFC would you not want a phone to have NFC so that you can use it? Or do you (or company) own a second phone with NFC for testing?

Yes, we have dozens of phones for testing. Some have NFC.
The reason I wouldn't want it, is that it has been around for 8 years (And about 20 years since first invention), and has massively failed to get traction by the industry.
Bluetooth 4.0 offers the same functionality, but actually has industry support.
So almost every phone has a Bluetooth chip in in, and in the future will have Bluetooth 4.0. Why would I want another chip in my phone when the functionality will be there via 4.0? (Yes, it is tiny, but every millimeter counts)

 

[ShawnStar]

Yes, we have dozens of phones for testing. Some have NFC.
The reason I wouldn't want it, is that it has been around for 8 years (And about 20 years since first invention), and has massively failed to get traction by the industry.
Bluetooth 4.0 offers the same functionality, but actually has industry support.
So almost every phone has a Bluetooth chip in in, and in the future will have Bluetooth 4.0. Why would I want another chip in my phone when the functionality will be there via 4.0? (Yes, it is tiny, but every millimeter counts)

Ag ok, let me go buy those BT 4 tags and start using BT 4 to replace my NFC and NFC tags.... oh wait... mm, can't find BT 4 tags to buy...

I'm not sure why you stick with this BT 4 thing, I am talking about NFC which Apple did not add to there latest and supposed greatest, which was stupid cause there are people using it

I have NFC, I use i daily, Iphone don't have it, I will not buy it... finish and klaar lol

No need to say, yes, but they have BT 4 and everything will have BT 4 in the future, that means zero to me, today is not the future, today is the present and BT 4 will soon be BT 5 etc... we know mos how fast there things gets updated...

and nfc not having traction...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_field_communication
Scroll down to Deployment...
some countries are using it quite extensively, use google and you will see...

 

[T3rminator]

NFC has become so pervasive that you simply do not realize you are using it. At varsity we use Mifare NFC cards for everything from access controll to booking meals. It is used in hotels for door access, public transport systems like the Gautrain and many more. The only place where it has not made inroads is in replacing bank cards, but we will get there.

Your notion that it is "old" is irrelevant and stupid, typical of a modern "it must be new to work or be cool" mentality.

Moving along, take those implementations above and now allow you phone into that ecosystem and you have an amazing combination. Imagine RF tags on your products, in magazines... the possibilities are endless and is a much better tech than QR codes for example.

Lastly, you should see the Nexus 7. It has the most amazing NFC implementation. Just for example: You are using a cool app, your friend comes and touches his phone to yours, a prompt appears and you send the market link over to him. I think that is pretty cool and reminiscent of the old IRDA phone-to-phone communications (vCards anyone? )