Apple versus Adobe

Silly article.

Adobe would never launch a PC-only CS6. If as the article claims, Adobe products are used by a Mac dominated creative industry, then they'd kill most of their own sales.

And to all you Mac haters (PC fanboys??), don't forget that Microsoft is heading towards the Apple camp in the Flash debate.
 
Head over to google to play some vintage Pac-Man.... pity the sound is done via flash.
 
Silly article.

Adobe would never launch a PC-only CS6. If as the article claims, Adobe products are used by a Mac dominated creative industry, then they'd kill most of their own sales.

And to all you Mac haters (PC fanboys??), don't forget that Microsoft is heading towards the Apple camp in the Flash debate.

Now if they released CS6 for Ubuntu / Linux that would be cool!
 
I tried having an open approach to this - but after wading though all the appletude all I can say is : Die apple die !
 
Adobe need Apple a whole lot more than Apple need Adobe.

I think that pretty much sums it up.

It's interesting to see that most of the sensible, considered criticism comes from people who have actually worked with Flash, and the stupid comments from the average Apple-basher. Flash was always a neat idea, but its implementation falls short - particularly in the ways that Apple identified. When you have a lot of processing power (and bandwidth, typically), and the ability to recover easily from thread crashes, it generally works fine. Trying to run it in the efficient, low power, low processing power of smart phones (particularly the iPhone, where performance and efficiency are intentionally tightly controlled by the OS environment) is challenging at best, and a waste of time at worst.

What seems extraordinary about this argument is that everyone (particularly the Windoze world, but even Adobe itself) seems to have taken it as a battle between companies, when it's really just a battle for standards. Since Apple is actually promoting HTML5, the only real open standard in this area (yes, yes, I know anyone can use Flash), for various good reasons, it's difficult to see why it's portrayed as a religious war (like Mac vs PC, for example). Either Flash or HTML5 will win (hopefully on their merits), or we'll have to use both (at the same time), and neither Apple nor Adobe will disappear. Their best products (Macs/iPhone/iPad/iPod and Photoshop/Acrobat etc, respectively) will continue to be leaders in their class, and the two companies will continue to support each others' products.

There also seem to be lots of people who equate market share with quality. It doesn't work in politics, so why should it work in business? There are plenty of bad products with large market share. Of course, if it's strength you're interested in, then maybe look instead at profitability and growth...
 
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than from a BSOD PC ,and their annoying popups, and virus ***.
Now that's an interesting observation. I have only experienced a single BSOD in the past 4 years with Windows XP, and that was due to my OEM-installed Samsung hard disk failing. No viruses, and Firefox takes care of pop-ups for me. I don't even use real-time antivirus anymore. I believe that I push my PC pretty hard, and I've yet to experience a day's problems.

Erm... Apple is the standard for music players - no matter what some have to say about the Cowan - they are also the standard for smart phones ... Which competitor exactly do they need to catch up to?
Let's see: Nokia and Sandisk spring to mind. Nokia because their phones just work - no jailbreaking, no performing voodoo curses every time you reboot the phone, and it excels at the things I have a cellphone for. I mean for crying out loud! A non-modified iPhone couldn't even cut and paste or send MMS messages until quite recently. I believe BlackBerry is the standard for business smartphones, with the Eseries a close second, followed by Windows Mobile phones.

Have you ever held a Sandisk Sansa Clip+ in your hands? It weighs about the same as an iPod Shuffle, but has a built-in screen, radio, voice recorder, excellent sound quality, 15 hours battery life and a MicroSD slot to upgrade the memory to a maximum of 40GB on the 8GB model. iPod might be the name that's become synonymous with MP3 players, but that doesn't mean that they are even close to the best.

Now, back to the article. This whole spat could have been prevented if Steve Jobs didn't act like a spoilt brat and openly attacked Adobe. If Apple doesn't believe in Flash, so be it, but at least address it in a professional manner. I really don't have a problem with them rather supporting HTML5, since it seems to be the next big thing. Still, for compatibility reasons they should have included Flash on their devices.
 
Apple make more money from the iPhone than Nokia. They make more from iPods than all the other music players put together.
 
Must say this is an interesting spat. Even more so that it doesn't involve M$ for a change.
 
Apple make more money from the iPhone than Nokia. They make more from iPods than all the other music players put together.

Again, quantity does not equal quality.

The amount of money Apple/Nokia/Sandisk make from their products is irrelevant in this discussion. The main thing is Flash is a slow, buggy, poorly implemented standard which Apple doesn't wish to support (which they are well within their rights to do.)
 
It kind of speaks for itself that Adobe quietly released a free HTML5 update for Dreamweaver.

This article is pretty much pie-in-the-sky speculation. Journo should do a little more research on the actual issues and various players responses before they crack something out on a Friday afternoon.
 
if adobe made cs for linux, i would switch tomorrow.
perhaps this is the push that sends them in that direction.
as much as i'm not an apple fan, i would like to thank them for giving adobe a wake up slap in the face.
as a regular cs user, i'm tired of the bloated adobe software, with high upgrade cycle, inflated costs and poor feature improvements.
it's time for a competitor to enter the graphics market.
and i don't mean a competitor who only makes software for one platform.
 
I'm not the biggest fan of Adobe, but I hate Apple with a passion, so I hope Adobe gives them hell.
 
I'm not a developer and I have a Macbook Pro - I use it mainly to run multiple VMs on it using Fusion for systems architecture in the IT world. It's fast, reliable, and after using Windows all my life, a breath of fresh air.

Oh and I don't really care if Flash is included or not...
 
Very poor article

The article is very one sided.

Having said that Apple and Jobs are guilty of some arrogance.

But lets ask ourselves some questions
a) Flash for PCs and Macs are not what Apple complain about. It is Flash for Mobile devices and they have a point there wrt security, power consumption, speed etc.
b) Apple are not the only ones that are complaining about Flash on mobile devices. Microsoft came out with fairly tough criticisms. And guess what they were basically the same as Apple's criticisms.
c) Microsoft have taken a more collaborative approach to solving the issue while Apple are taking a far harder response. Too hard? Maybe M/S don't have the reputation of their hardware at stake
d) Now if Apple took a collaborative line maybe Adobe would try less hard to fix their problems

Lets face it
* Apple and Flash aint going anywhere
* Adobe don't want to miss out on the Apple market
* Apple would rather other platforms don't have the advantage to target more mobile websites but they don't want Flash to hurt the reputation of their devices

So where will this end up?
Well this is all posturing and the author of this article is in the Adobe camp.
Flash will improve. Apple will support it.
When? I have no bloody idea.
 
Informative article, thanks.

Firstly, go Microsoft! :)

Next, I too believe Adobe needs Apple more than Apple needs Adobe..

Just realised that the "war" between PC Windows users vs Mac Apple users is like Man UTD vs Liverpool! Go MAN UTD! As with Liverpool fans, Mac fans are constantly moaning about the competition, almost always on top, but never really winning. Continuously moaning how everyone is not as superior to them and their choices. Do most Apple people drive Toyota's and crave safety behind their electric fences? I know I am making absolutely no sense but I do find everything somewhat funny today :)
 
There's a lot that HTML5 can do, but there's also a lot that only Flash can do, at least for the near-ish future. Why is it HTML5 OR Flash? Switch to Android and you get it all - and this is the hole in Apple's pig headedness. Check out the Google I/O day two keynote.

There are amazing things being done with flash that are just not possible with HTML5 yet. Besides, there is an army of Flash developers, and not so many HTML5 developers - hell, HTML5 is not even finalised yet. Sure this will change over time, but if Flash will die, let it die a natural death. Steve is trying to kill it. We may even find, as both HTML5 and Flash develop that they take on different roles. Who knows? That's what being open is about. Steve thinks he's more important than he is.

Why would anyone (apart from terminal fanboyitis) go with a platform like iPhone/iPad that is so limited by arrogance when there is a faster, open, more capable platform like Android 2.2?

Apple is picking fights with everyone. Google is working with everyone. The result will be (if Apple don't swallow a dose of humility) a smoking hole in the ground where Apple once was.

Apple: suicide by dictatorship
 
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