Are you preparing for a comming genocide?

[Jola]

Like I said, when similar events that lead to my homeland being on the bring of collapse, i.e. increasing political tensions resulting in significant reduction in harmony in the country

Still quite subjective - but that is the problem, it is very difficult to decide when the sh|t will hit the fan.

Not an easy decision, and if you leave it too late, you are screwed. - I'm screwed anyway, SA Passport !

That is why it is so disturbing when an idiot like JM sings inflammatory songs, and even more so when he gets huge support for doing so.

 

[Geriatrix]

Like I said, when similar events that lead to my homeland being on the bring of collapse, i.e. increasing political tensions resulting in significant reduction in harmony in the country

Can you please elaborate on that. I'm looking for specifics.
How would you spot "increasing political tensions resulting in significant reduction in harmony in the country"?

 

[supersunbird]

Well, our neighbourhood watch is pretty organised so we should be OK initially, radio comms, some people have guns. Can decide what to do as it develops.

Here is a forum that might interest people worried about this sort of thing:
http://www.survivalistboards.com/

 

[dlk001]

How would you spot "increasing political tensions resulting in significant reduction in harmony in the country"?

When the government starts breaking basic human rights laws, you will see people in all your walks of life who are feeling unsafe, insecure and uncertain about the country. When the population opposes those laws, you will see more laws being passed to limit the freedom of expression. To me, that would be a signal of things deteriorating and anarchy impending.

In the Ciskei example:

Government increased passing/enforcement is laws that restrict general human freedom rights from mid 80’s in order to “control” the population. Basically, think of a paranoid Ciskei president Lennox Sebe and SA government of the time as radical as Julius Malemas who are enforcing the ideas they have against the will of the people. The result was a population that felt unsafe, insecure and uncertain about the country during the mid and late 80’s. That accelerated to a point of anarchy between 1990 and 1993 when people started taking matters into their own hands. Ciskei could have been a Zimbabwe or worse had it not been for 1994.

 

[MegasXLR]

Only one way to find out

Malema's big mouth is NOT official ANC policy. They actually do have official policy documents.
We have a bill of rights and a constitution, which was set up by the ANC led government.....

I am still waiting for the ANC to "chain Malema. The day that happens I will consider your comment as valid and have a tiny spec of greater respect for the ANC. Then they should stop corruption and fire all thieve...what am I saying? then we will be without a government and public services..

 

[Geriatrix]

When the government starts breaking basic human rights laws, you will see people in all your walks of life who are feeling unsafe, insecure and uncertain about the country. When the population opposes those laws, you will see more laws being passed to limit the freedom of expression. To me, that would be a signal of things deteriorating and anarchy impending.

Cool, thanks for elaborating.
I feel I have to disagree on your interpretation though.

''you will see people in all your walks of life who are feeling unsafe, insecure and uncertain about the country"
I don't agree with that sentence. The nature of genocide is that it is focused on a subset, usually small, part of the general population.

"When the population opposes those laws, you will see more laws being passed to limit the freedom of expression."
From my POV, in a genocidal situation the general population either doesn't care or actively supports the impending slaughter.

In the Ciskei example:

Government increased passing/enforcement is laws that restrict general human freedom rights from mid 80’s in order to “control” the population. Basically, think of a paranoid Ciskei president Lennox Sebe and SA government of the time as radical as Julius Malemas who are enforcing the ideas they have against the will of the people. The result was a population that felt unsafe, insecure and uncertain about the country during the mid and late 80’s. That accelerated to a point of anarchy between 1990 and 1993 when people started taking matters into their own hands. Ciskei could have been a Zimbabwe or worse had it not been for 1994.

That to me militaristic oppression. Sort of like Libia or China.

 

[Emjay]

That is correct, people never see it coming, they didn't in Germany, Rwanda, Serbia or Bosnia - people are generally optimists.

This is not true. There was a lot happening in the media, especially the radio, before the "ethnic cleansing" began.

According to recent commentators, the news media played a crucial role in the genocide; local print and radio media fueled the killings while the international media either ignored or seriously misconstrued events on the ground.[19] The print media in Rwanda is believed to have started hate speech against Tutsis, which was later continued by radio stations. According to commentators, anti-Tutsi hate speech "...became so systemic as to seem the norm." The state-owned newspaper Kangura had a central role, starting an anti-Tutsi and anti-RPF campaign in October 1990. In the ongoing International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, the individuals behind Kangura have been accused of producing leaflets in 1992 picturing a machete and asking "What shall we do to complete the social revolution of 1959?" – a reference to the Hutu revolt that overthrew the Tutsi monarchy and the subsequent politically orchestrated communal violence that resulted in thousands of mostly Tutsi casualties and forced roughly 300,000 Tutsis to flee to neighboring Burundi and Uganda. Kangura also published the infamous "10 Hutu Commandments," which regulated all dealings with Tutsis and how Hutus are to treat them. It communicated the message that the RPF had a devious grand strategy against the Hutu (one feature article was titled "Tutsi colonization plan").[20]

The Rwandan military and Hutu militia groups, notably the Interahamwe, systematically set out to murder all the Tutsis they could reach, regardless of age or sex,[36] as well as the political moderates among the Hutu. They incited Hutu civilians to participate in the killings or be shot in turn, using radio broadcasts to tell them to kill their Tutsi neighbours.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide

I don't think SA would ever see such events. My biggest concern is for the next 15 years. If Malema ever comes into power, I will be extremely worried. Massive nationalisation will happen, along with extreme land reforms. If it does happen, everyone in SA will suffer, and not only the whites.

 

[Jola]

This is not true. There was a lot happening in the media, especially the radio, before the "ethnic cleansing" began.

If people had realised what would really happen, there would have been no genocides, everyone would have been gone - people are not stupid.

If the USA had fully appreciated what the Germans would get up to the US Pacific Fleet would have parked outside Hamburg in 1939, probably preventing WW II.

 

[warchylde]

From my POV, in a genocidal situation the general population either doesn't care or actively supports the impending slaughter.

Or are simply to afraid to stand up to group that is willing to perform these actions.

 

[warchylde]

I don't think SA would ever see such events. My biggest concern is for the next 15 years. If Malema ever comes into power, I will be extremely worried. Massive nationalisation will happen, along with extreme land reforms. If it does happen, everyone in SA will suffer, and not only the whites.

What methods do you think they would employ should the farmers be unwilling to part with their land?

 

[Jola]

What methods do you think they would employ should the farmers be unwilling to part with their land?

Zimbabwe has perfected this to a fine art - they will follow their lead.

 

[scotty777]

Of course I've taught about it... I'm 20 and I see Julius on the news. Personally, from my experiences with most black people, they more than just accepting of my "whiteness", which is nice .

However, I can ship off to New Zealand pretty quickly as I have family there, and not much holding me back here... so there's a back up plan, but I think plan A is to stick it through here. Great opportunities.

 

[seventhson]

I have yet to see one white genocide in africa. The genocides usually done on their own people once the whites have ****ed off/

 

[dlk001]

Cool, thanks for elaborating. I feel I have to disagree on your interpretation though.
''you will see people in all your walks of life who are feeling unsafe, insecure and uncertain about the country"
I don't agree with that sentence. The nature of genocide is that it is focused on a subset, usually small, part of the general population.

Oh I understand you and I don’t think we disagree. I was not referring to “genocide” and I do not see any impending genocide. I was saying what would concern me more is general political instability.

 

[agentrfr]

I'd prefer to be optimistic about the future, but I've got a plan if it goes down.

Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst.


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[alpha777]

I have yet to see one white genocide in africa. The genocides usually done on their own people once the whites have ****ed off/

When Congo became independant they tried to kill all the whites who stayed behind. My mother-in-law tells the stories, it was terrible, nuns, children, women killed. Read up on it in credible sources...scary stuff. Happened in the 1950's or 1960's.

 

[seventhson]

When Congo became independant they tried to kill all the whites who stayed behind. My mother-in-law tells the stories, it was terrible, nuns, children, women killed. Read up on it in credible sources...scary stuff. Happened in the 1950's or 1960's.

Forgot about that. My moms uncle was a mercenary during that. He died there.

 

[DJ...]

In the spirit of the OP, the only thing in my opinion that could possibly lead to genocide of some sorts would be the assasination of Malema, which I think is a very real concern. It's the only catalyst I can imagine that could result in the devolution of this country by revolt...

 

[Sly21C]

To be blunt, there are hell of a lot of poor black people and a hell of a lot of priviledged white people. We can debate and say white people are hardworking and educated and that's why they live the good life. We can blame the ANC's corruption for the poverty amongst the black population. That's all irrelevant to the poor masses. They want out of poverty and are angry at being left out in the cold by the few BEE ANC elites. So the poor will be quite happy to go from their shacks and into the suburbs and start killing "rich" people and stealing their stuff. The economy might collapse but you must remember that the only people who feel the impact of an economic collapse are well off people. Poor people won't feel the impact, so to them it will be good if rich people suffer like they are suffering.

 

[BBSA]

Seems like Sly21c agrees with the right wing:erm: