Article: Pass black matrics, asks SADTU KZN

[msmoorad]

i feel sorry for these black students who decide to work overseas after completing their studies. they will not get preferential treatment & will have to work for everything themselves. they are living in a cocoon in SA. where they can always blame apartheid & the mlungu. there are some who are trying their best to pass honestly but it cannot be said of any black students nowadays. they always like to talk about how hard it is for them to come to university - like as if all us indians had an easy time. yet we have been & will always be amongst the top performers.
indians were also victims of apartheid but we dont blame the white man or apartheid for our own shortcomings- actually we were better off under apartheid because the apartheid regime would employ us knowing we were hard working & competent.
today most govt employees are a combination of /or all of the ffg: fat, lazy, incompetent, arrogant, corrupt.
and the students nowadays are more interested in drugs, sex, cell phones etc than learning. there are also much more strikes & public holidays than before- this results in even worse pass rates.

 

[to0kenZA]

Thats not an excuse! I still type in full from my phone.

I KNOW dude, I hate it when people type like that! Gees, it really grinds my gears!

 

[daveza]

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Mark-black-matric-results-carefully-Sadtu-20101202

"Sadtu’s call for biased marking does not... mean (to) generously give more marks to African/working class learners nor marking correct what is wrong," said provincial secretary Mbuyiseni Mathonsi in a statement.

"It... means that markers must be progressive and transformative in their marking.....

:wtf::erm:

 

[FoXtroT]

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Mark-black-matric-results-carefully-Sadtu-20101202

:wtf::erm:

In other words, biased marking....

 

[Kosmik]

progressive and transformative

Whether hidden in word or deeds it's still racism although in this case I think plain stupidity has first dibs!

 

[noxibox]

Previously uni had mostly to do with people that had6 or more extinctions in the right subjects, and even then if your parents could not afford it you rarely would have received a bursary. ( I by no means are saying it was a good system. But neither is the current one. The current system is just allowing for more people with nothing to leave our schooling systems thinking the world owes them an education and good scores. It has nothing to do with Discipline, hard work dedication and self respect.

I don't know where you get this from. The entry requirements were always fairly minimal.

 

[Mila]

I don't know where you get this from. The entry requirements were always fairly minimal.

So you were allowed to fail on lower grade ( 30% ) and become a doctor or an engineer.. strange.

 

[Mila]

1996:

What kind of pass rate does my child need to go to university?
The minimum requirement for entrance to one of the country’s 21 universities for an undergraduate degree is a Senior Certificate with matric endorsement issued by the South African Certification Council (SACC) or a certificate of exemption issued by the Matriculation Board on behalf of the SACC.
For matric endorsement, a minimum of three subjects must be passed on the higher grade as opposed to the standard grade. Some universities set additional academic requirements.

What will ensure entry into a technikon?
The minimum requirement for technikon study is a National Senior Certificate (matric pass) or similar requirement approved by the Committee of Technikon Principals. For specific courses, additional minimum requirements are sometimes needed.

http://www.southafrica.info/pls/pro...p_dynamic=YP&p_content_id=918206&p_site_id=38

 

[R13...]

1996:

http://www.southafrica.info/pls/pro...p_dynamic=YP&p_content_id=918206&p_site_id=38

This still doesn't tie up with your 'extinctions' claims above.
OK, I'm assuming you were trying to say distinction, but then that means you have no idea what a distinction is. And that can only mean you didn't finish school:erm:

 

[Mila]

This still doesn't tie up with your 'extinctions' claims above.
OK, I'm assuming you were trying to say distinction, but then that means you have no idea what a distinction is. And that can only mean you didn't finish school:erm:

Oh look its clever. Shame it has to reply with personal insults again. How bloody predictable. So your goverment gave you yours.. Thought so. No I have my grade 12 with 8 distinctions.

Grow a pair.

 

[R13...]

Oh look its clever. Shame it has to reply with personal insults again. How bloody predictable. So your goverment gave you yours.. Thought so. No I have my grade 12 with 8 distinctions.

Grow a pair.

You have 8 distinctions and you can't spell it? And have no idea what it requires to get into varsity? Contradictions everywhere. I didn't actually insult you, didn't need to

 

[Mila]

You have 8 distinctions and you can't spell it? And have no idea what it requires to get into varsity? Contradictions everywhere. I didn't actually insult you, didn't need to

Your opinion:

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[UnUnOctium]

I don't know where you get this from. The entry requirements were always fairly minimal.

Oh look its clever. Shame it has to reply with personal insults again. How bloody predictable. So your goverment gave you yours.. Thought so. No I have my grade 12 with 8 distinctions.

Grow a pair.

http://www.ee.up.ac.za/main/en/undergrad/index

http://www.uct.ac.za/apply/criteria/undergraduates/ebe/

The requirements were less strict in 2005 (because it wasn't as easy to get an A back then) and you needed a C for maths and science HG before they'd even consider you (and no subjects may be on SG). I matriculated with 2 A's and 4 B's, got into computer (electrical + comp sci) engineering (at UP) and was one of the 3 people in my course to get my degree with distinction. A large number of people got in with 4 A's and 2 B's and they're still undergrads.

Universities have kept their standards, it hasn't been more difficult in the past (there's a reason they have the NBT now), it's just that the primary and secondary schooling system hasn't. Plus, these governmental recommendations of whether your matric will get you university entrance or not are simple bullcrap since it's not the government that decides whether you get into a university or not.

 

[Mila]

http://www.ee.up.ac.za/main/en/undergrad/index

http://www.uct.ac.za/apply/criteria/undergraduates/ebe/

The requirements were less strict in 2005 (because it wasn't as easy to get an A back then) and you needed a C for maths and science HG before they'd even consider you (and no subjects may be on SG). I matriculated with 2 A's and 4 B's, got into computer (electrical + comp sci) engineering (at UP) and was one of the 3 people in my course to get my degree with distinction. A large number of people got in with 4 A's and 2 B's and they're still undergrads.

Universities have kept their standards, it hasn't been more difficult in the past (there's a reason they have the NBT now), it's just that the primary and secondary schooling system hasn't. Plus, these governmental recommendations of whether your matric will get you university entrance or not are simple bullcrap since it's not the government that decides whether you get into a university or not.

Thanx. That is what I meant some things Like doctors and vets you had to have A's for every subject to be considered, engineering you only made it if your Math and science ( think it was those two ) score were an A.

 

[UnUnOctium]

Thanx. That is what I meant some things Like doctors and vets you had to have A's for every subject to be considered, engineering you only made it if your Math and science ( think it was those two ) score were an A.

Nop, got 78% for both of those, got 2 A's in 2 other subjects. My point is (counter to yours) that it hasn't been more difficult in the past to get into a university than it is now. Just depends from which side you look at it. University marking/admission always has been and always will be applied on a statistical rather than absolute principle (especially after 1st year).

 

[Nom Chompsky]

Universities have kept their standards, it hasn't been more difficult in the past (there's a reason they have the NBT now), it's just that the primary and secondary schooling system hasn't. Plus, these governmental recommendations of whether your matric will get you university entrance or not are simple bullcrap since it's not the government that decides whether you get into a university or not.

Are you sure about that? I bet you around 20 years ago, there were far fewer people being awarded firsts in individual subjects than they are now. For instance, last year they introduced an exam based purely on multiple-choice questions... and around 20% of the class of ~1200 students obtained firsts. Obviously there are still subjects which are hard to obtain firsts (essay-based subjects) but I definitely have proof of exams getting easier. As recently as 2006, the highest mark in one course was 78% (they had 5 essays to do) and this year it was 95% (40 MCQs and one essay).

So it's not really grade inflation but rather the structure has been made easier (the content is very much the same).

I suppose in engineering it is different where international standards have to be adhered to.

 

[Mila]

Nop, got 78% for both of those, got 2 A's in 2 other subjects. My point is (counter to yours) that it hasn't been more difficult in the past to get into a university than it is now. Just depends from which side you look at it. University marking/admission always has been and always will be applied on a statistical rather than absolute principle (especially after 1st year).

I'm not blessed with words. But what you are saying is what I was suppose to write.
IT is easier to receive an A now at school, that makes it easier to get into uni and then they make you write a UNI grade 12 in your first year. And then 50% of the candidates fall out.
I did not say it was more difficult to get in. I did say it had mostly o do with kids with 6 or more distinctions, though I do think more limited spaces were available, I just think that kids today think passing grade 12 is a free pass into uni( hence the demand for free uni education)

Remember that if your pass rate of a grade 12 learners is 95% only there real top learners are going to get a space. And I guess therefore it seemed to be very difficult.
6 A’ in Home ec, needlework, woodwork, metalwork, English and Afrikaans (All in higer grade) were not going to get you into the Uni to study too be a doctor.

These days there is not higher lower or standard grade, subjects like cricket and golf is a ticket into uni if you have an A.
30% of grade 12 learners that started grade 12 in 2008 passed the end of the year. (passed)
So yes now there are less cream to take of the top .

 

[grok]

Quote Originally Posted by evilstebunny View Post
Is this finally an admittance that blacks just cannot compete academically? I certainly think so.

I resent this statement. I'm black and have been owning academically since I can remember. I even won the Maths, Physical Science and Computer Science prizes in Matric (went to a majority white private school)... etc etc etc

Resent all you want, then look at all the facts again and resent some more because you are the exception to the rule my friend. My statement pointed out a trend. Just because you feel you don't fit the curve doesn't make my observation invalid.

 

[JuliusMalema]

The media is again being jajarag forgetting that a child in Limpopo whose mother tongue is Pedi, will not do well if he/she has to write a Biology test in English while the Afrikaners are writing it in their mother tongue. We really need transformation in our Education System.

 

[Mila]

The media is again being jajarag forgetting that a child in Limpopo whose mother tongue is Pedi, will not do well if he/she has to write a Biology test in English while the Afrikaners are writing it in their mother tongue. We really need transformation in our Education System.

Earlier this year 5 schools in Soweto closed down due to Mother Tongue education. These children and their parents choose to study in english.
In KZN where this is coming from people speak Zulu.

But the new minister of education stated that all children will start to go to school in their home language from next year. From Grade 3 English will be introduced and systematically English will be the primary language with your home one as the second or if you choose more languages later on. But it seems like he is aiming that all children will be able to speak read and write English by the time they go to high school.

Seems like a step in the right direction.